9mm Case Trimming

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I found some 9mm cases that actually need trimming. I chucked the Lee guide for 9mm into the trimmer, locked the case into the shell holder on the drill and...the guide is to big for the case. I can't get the cutter close enough to the case to take off even a tiny shaving. Am I doing it wrong or is the trimmer defective?

Should I flare the case more? I flared it just enough to get the bullets in when seating.
 
How/why did you determine they needed to be trimmed? "Too big"? Too large in diameter or too long?
 
1) I've loaded 10k+ straightwall auto-pistol rounds. . . and never seen one that need trimming. This leads me to suspect that either they don't need trimming, or they're not 9x18. Straightwall brass doesn't grow with resizing, it shrinks very slightly.

2) The Lee trim studs might be tight, and I have had to polish a few down a smidge.
 
I measured them for length. Max length in my manual and on my die information is 0.754. These measure 0.760.

These are the first I've come across that were longer than max. It's limited to one brand of brass out of this latest batch. I'm pretty sure these were shot out of my pistols too.
 
I often trim 9 mm brass, but I am trimming 9x19 to 9x18 because a favorite grandson has a pistol in 9 MM Makarov...That stuff is hard to find, so I trimmed a hundred cases, and loaded them on my Dillon...he likes them, so I'm happy. That projectile is .363, so it takes a little finesse and time to do all the prep. The Lee dies work nicely.
 
Right, I should probably mention the actual caliber. This is 9x19/9mm Luger for my S&W Shield.
 
The Lee trim studs might be tight, and I have had to polish a few down a smidge.

This has been my experience also. And, I've had to chamfer the inside of cases to get the stud to fit.

Back when I first started reloading, in 1987 or so, I trimmed 9mm brass. Partly because I wanted everything to be just so, and partly because I didn't have any money, but had lots of time.

I'm pretty sure I haven't trimmed a 9mm case in over 30 years.
 
Never used that trimmer, just wanted to comment that I do see consistent case length as an important thing. Yeah, I trim straight walled cases, usually just once and never need to again.
 
You don't specify which Lee trimmer you are using, but if it is the Quick Trim (either powered or hand cranked) you probably just need to remove the spacer ring. It is a free-spinning knurled ring below the black adjustment ring, and Lee says to ADD it for cases longer then 1.25". Well, it comes with the ring already installed so the instructions should say to REMOVE it for cases shorter than 1.25", which would include the 9mm Luger. Removing the spacer will also give you access to the aforementioned ball. Simply grasp the shaft above the cutters in one hand and twist the top portion (above the adjustment ring) with the other. If you have the powered version this will be where you attach the drill. If you have the hand crank version, grab the crank itself. If it won't unscrew you might want to wear a leather glove in the hand holding the shaft, but trust me, it does screw off. That should fix your problem. I just tried installing the spacer ring on mine, just to see, and it behaved exactly as you described.
I don't think removing the ball is appropriate in this case, since Lee says that is for when the case neck is too small for the die. Oh yeah, and the cases should be resized before trimming or they could be a tight fit into the die.
 
I normally don't trim 9mm either. I set my caliper to 0.754 and as long as they pass through they get loaded. These are the first ones that haven't made it. I've only had to trim rifle cases before. I'm not certain they came from my guns, but just fairly sure. In any case, they fired once before. There aren't many, so it's not a huge issue.

I need to check and see what brand. I don't want to guess and be wrong. Most cases when measured are actually shorter than the minimum length in my manual, but there is nothing I can do about that.
 
I was going to say I never trim 9mm but then I remembered I did cut :)some down to 9X18 for a MAK.
Lucky I have enough 9mm brass that I wouldn't trim it if it needed it, and I don't remove primer crimps from 9mm (on the crimped ones) I do that enough on 5.56/.223.

Since most of us don't trim hopefully the answer is in post #14.
(since all of us that are saying we don't trim, does not help you a bit;) Thanks to KentM for a possible answer, and a Welcome to THR for KentM, think I went a lot of posts asking questions before I ever had an answer:D)
 
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I have only trimmed bottle necked brass. Since the cases are measured post sizing sometimes the neck is tight for the stud. I have only needed to polish and on rare occasions add a thin film of lube on the stud...
 
I use the LEE trimmer on 9x19 and 380. Decap, clean and size range pickup and my own once fired brass, then trim. It is interesting how inconsistent the length of factory brass is. Once trimmed, they go into my loading bins. I only trim them once, before the first reload.

I had to polish down the guide pin on my LEE trimmer. I put it in the drill and used emery cloth until it fit the case mouth after sizing. Before this, it would stick in the mouth of some cases.
 
I remembered to check the cases. They are PPU head stamps. I have another batch of 130 to clean and size. I'll see if any in there have the same issue.
 
Just a thought, aren’t there some 9x19 cases with a stepped interior?

If so, could the trimmer guide be stopped by the step?

I’ve never seen a stepped case but comments come up about them once in a while.
 
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