Any truth to what my gun shop is saying?

Well its a bit of a stretch but there is a CZ75 for sale on Calguns with the Kadet adapter. You could buy the whole package and sell the CZ75. Then you would end up with your conversion kit.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=18761347&postcount=1

If I had to choose between the Buckmark and SR-22 I would say it depends on your intended philosophy of use. If you are looking for an understudy that you can use to do drills and practice techniques I would get the SR-22. If you are wanting to focus on marksmanship and target shooting then I would get the Buckmark. The Buckmark has a better trigger by far but it doesn't replicate the magazine transition drills, etc. as well as the SR-22 does.

Honestly, the cadet conversion is the way to go. I don't know if it works with the SP-01 or not. Either the conversion of the whole new cadet .22 would be my choice. They are around if you look. You can have the conversion mailed directly to you, so check the Internet. As to the sr22, I don't find it to be a gun that would translate very well to your CZ. Sure, you can still work on trigger control, but the sr22 is MUCH smaller, and the triggers are different. The sr22 is a good gun, but if you're not going to get he cadet conversion, I'd go with a buckmark, S&W victory, or ruger 22/45. I think they're all better .22s for target practice and trigger time.

Get the one that tickles yer fancy the most and to hell with the gun shop...

The gun shop says if I want more transferable experience to my CZ 75, I should get the SR22 as it is modern.

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That's the stupidest thing I've heard today, but it's still kind of early, and I didn't watch any political news yet.

Here's what you'll really learn from shooting a LOT of .22lr.... how to see the sights. How to watch the gun go off and see the sights all the way through the shot, including recoil. That will be easier to learn on a Buckmark than an SR22. The Buckmark will also be more inherently accurate, so you will be able to push yourself to make really, really precise shots.

The SR22 is a fine gun. I shot one last weekend. I liked it. For your purposes, it wouldn't be bad, but the Buckmark will be better, IMO.

Oh, and as far as learning fast gun manipulation - reloads, slide-racking, etc. - you're not going to learn that with anything but your "real" gun. And you should be doing a ratio of about 100 dry fire reps to 1 live fire rep on that stuff if you're trying to burn in good technique.

Just a thought but if you reload for the 9MM you can shoot almost as cheaply as you can for buying 22lr ammo and still get more reps with the gun you actually use.

mfer

The Kadet .22 conversion assembly should work fine on your SP01 Tactical. If you can't find one at this time I would say get the Buckmark as it is a great .22 to start with in terms of mastering trigger control, acquiring a good sight picture, and obtaining the most accuracy you can get out of your pistol.

kutter, some people (such as those with a flinch/blink to overcome) will get things out of shooting a .22 that they will have a hard time getting from a 9mm. And for fairly new shooters (as the OP describes himself), running 500 rounds through a 22 in a single session is going to be a lot more tolerable than running 500 rounds through a 9mm.

The SR comes.much closer to matching your CZ'S trigger and controls. It makes a lot of sense if that is the goal. The Buckman is probably a more accurate gun.

General skills transferrable to your SP-01?
Dry fire you SP-01. Focus on sight alignment, trigger control and follow through. Directly transferred skill set.

Get your SR22 and/or Buckmark because yo want it.

ATLDave, I am sure you are correct on that, I guess I just do not see the 9MM as having that much more recoil than a .22, but to be fair, the only .22 pistol I shoot is a WMR so it probably has a lot more recoil than a .22lr.

It's only partially about the recoil. It's also about the blast and noise.

FWIW, I shoot a lot of major power factor ammo for USPSA, plus some legit 10mm and .41 magnum on the side. My position is not that 9mm has a lot of recoil/blast/flash. My position is that it has more of those than a .22lr, and the difference is significant. Especially for a newish shooter. Some people are completely insensitive to that stuff. Most people are not.

It's way more recoil in the 9mm
I have given up on the .22 for training to use bigger calibers.
There just isn't enough similarity. .22 just doesn't shoot like 9mm or other pistol calibers.
If anything , it might let you Get sloppy with your grip which is one of the most important things to keep consistent.
Used to be .22 was so cheap you could shoot it all day for nothing, but not that cheap anymore.
I say do tons of dry fire and other practice on your CZ , then save the .22 money for more 9mm ammo and get real trigger time.

Ruger SR22-350$
2000rds of 22-150$
5 sr22mags- 125$
Sr22 holster- 40$
Total investment into training with 2000rds of 22= 665$

665$ can get you approx 3325 rds of 9mm at 20 cents/rd.

Look at these numbers and ask yourself if purchasing a 22 pistol is worth it for training. You will be training much more efficiently using your actually gun and shooting actually center fire ammo. Just my opinion.


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My advice:
If you WANT a 22LR, buy the gun you want. IME, trigger time and proper technique is key. Whether you do it with a Buck Mark, Kadet Kit, or even the SR22 won't make nearly as much difference as simply getting the practice. If you simply want to get better shooting your 9mm and don't value owning a nice semi-auto 22 LR, you might very well be better off doing what SVTOhio recommends and just shoot your 9mm.

Do you have any polymer guns, or otherwise know that you like them? I hate them, but LOVE the metal CZs, Hi Power, Buck Mark, and a few other semi-autos. Be sure you like plastic guns before buying one. Weight wise, the SR22 will feel like a Nerf gun compared to your CZ.

Have to say I think SVTOhio is spot on. If it were me and I did not want to reload, I would think real hard about what he said.

I decided some time back to standardize on a Sig as my HD/DC weapon, so while I have other pistols, when I train, it is only with one of my Sigs, be it my 2340, 229, or 226, all of them feel nearly identical in my hand so my muscle memory can easily manipulate the pistol.

If this is going to be that type of gun, I would say that you need to find a way to get more comfortable with that pistol and practice and shoot with it.

The kadet's are susposedly some fantastic 22's in their own right, using a smaller all steel reciprocating insert instead of a pot metal slide.

The fact you can drop it on top of your current 9mm is a huge bonus to me and invaluable if you'd like to get better speficly with your SP01 instead of just "better in general"

Order one and have it sent to your front door!

The target 22s like the Buckmark and Ruger Mk III are high quality but they just don't feel or operate like a duty pistol. If you want a 22 that is more like a carry gun then get the SR22, S&W M&P 22c, or a Glock conversion kit.

No .22 is going to actual feel/operate/handle like a duty pistol. If THAT'S what the OP is trying to work on, then the .22 project is a waste of time.

If he's trying to refine and develop fundamental pistol techniques, like trigger control and seeing the sights, then interoperability with a duty gun isn't very relevant.

Get the one you like best. Screw the gun counter advice.

I own both....the Buckmark is much more accurate and I would buy it again and again over the SR22. The latter is a nice gun to plink at cans and targets but it is certainly not in the same accuracy category as a Buckmark, Ruger Mark III, or SW Victory. The Buckmark will help you with sights and control, but the chambering, decocking, etc are different, as you noted, than the CZ.

I have gone down this road, spending some good money on a Beretta 87 .22.

It was a waste of time. Despite being a scaled down Beretta 92 in .22, the experience of shooting .22 through it did not translate (for me) into acquiring more skill shooting a combat auto. What did become quickly apparent was that the trigger, sights and accuracy (though all decent), just made for a .22 that was glaringly imprecise after having owned a Ruger Mk II (like a Buckmark). At some point, it just seemed like I was pumping out .22 for no real benefit.

So I would not suggest the SR22. Of the two, I'd go Buckmark.


Here's my wacky alternate idea:

If you want to use .22s for less recoil and (maybe) cost, get a .22 DA revolver or a DAO .22 like a Taurus PT22. Instead of poorly duplicating your CZ-75, you will get something that is more difficult to shoot and will more quickly develop your trigger control through many DA trigger pulls. What you learn controlling a DA trigger translates to every kind of shooting.

I realize that is oddball advice, but I have shot a lot of tiny mouseguns, and they are fundamentally accurate, if you can see the sights. Plus, you have a BUG if you need one.

mfer said:

Thanks everyone. My goal is to be a better shot. I'm not worried about speed changing clips. I do like heavier metal guns more I think. I'm leaning to Buck Mark now but the one I want is more rare. I think the target with threaded barrel is nicer. I see one on gun broker, but I do like buying local when I can. No one has that here.

I'm still holding out for Kadet.

Also, WHERE can I get 20cent 9mm!

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SGAmmo but don't publicize it too much.

To me the way to learn your firearm is to shoot it regularly. Trigger control applies across many but they vary from one to another. Shooting a .22 is not going to have the same feel as the 9mm.

$.20 ammo is out there. The steel case is ~ $.20 -$.21. PMC brass case may hit $.21 with shipping from that seller mentioned above. They ship fast too. Walmart is like $.27 for Winchester white box.