• You are using the old High Contrast theme. We have installed a new dark theme for you, called UI.X. This will work better with the new upgrade of our software. You can select it at the bottom of any page.

Reality check...I'm tone deaf.

Status
Not open for further replies.

WestKentucky

Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2014
Messages
13,144
Location
Western Kentucky
Just got in from hearing tests at work. Since it's a new job it's my "baseline" otological check. I'm 31, and already starting to feel the effects. The numbers in bold are the frequency, the numbers below represent percentage of loss.

This is with 20+ years of unprotected shooting as I only really started wearing protection a few years ago. Looks like I'm going to pay for it.

Don't do this to yourself. Eyes and ears are very important when shooting, mowing, running loud tools...just don't be dumb like me.
 

Attachments

  • image.jpg
    image.jpg
    60.5 KB · Views: 128
Reality check...I'm tone deaf.

Just got in from hearing tests at work. Since it's a new job it's my "baseline" otological check. I'm 31, and already starting to feel the effects. The numbers in bold are the frequency, the numbers below represent percentage of loss.

Technically, tone deafness is the inability to distinguish between musical notes, that is you can't tell the difference between a C sharp from a A flat.... It has been suggested the tone deafness is due to a disconnection between the posterior superior temporal gyrus and the posterior inferior frontal gyrus.

You have a loss of the ability to hear higher frequency sounds. Which is the normal result of being subjected to loud noise or large over-pressures over a period of time. Hearing loss of this sort is caused by the breaking of the tiny hairs inside the cochlea that transmit pressure waves to the brain.

Keep using hearing protection and you should be able to keep what you have.
 
Shooting since I was 14 and in electrical construction for over 35 years. Gunshots and hammer-drilling concrete has certainly taken its toll. For the longest time, I was cavalier about possible hearing loss and, like you, have experienced it with the added "gift" of tinnitus.

I tell my story to every apprentice I run across in the field about the importance of hearing protection. Most of them already know everything, are ten feet tall, and bullet proof so, hearing loss won't happen to them. Many of them use hearing protection only because we journeymen yell at them if they don't. Oh well, whatever it takes...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I even wear hearing protection when running my weed eater these days. You don't get back the hearing you lose, and we have a long time to lose it over the years. One of my best friends has been shooting with me since we were 5 years old. He never wore any hearing protection until the past couple of years, and even now only wears it sometimes (we're in our late 30's now). He's starting to have issues with it, but he was far too arrogant about it for far too long.
 
I am sorry about your hearing loss. That really stinks but it is great that you are sharing your experience. Hopefully others won't make the same mistake.

I feel incredibly fortunate to NOT have had extensive hearing loss. I grew up working in a CNC shop where I never wore hearing protection. I then went on to go skeet and trap shooting for a few years without protection. I felt indestructible because I did all of this (including some indoor handgun shooting) without protection and never had any issues.

In my mid 30s I developed a severe viral ear infection and temporarily lost about 60% of my hearing in both years. I was told that there was a better than fifty fifty chance that it would recover but that it might not. It was pretty unnerving. I could not listen to music or tv without all of the sounds kind of meshing together and any loud noise made my ears physically hurt.

That was the first time I took hearing protection seriously. Since then I have not just worn a set but I double up nearly every time. I was lucky and over the course of the next 12-18 months, I recovered 100%. With the exception of some incredibly annoying tinnitus that rears its ugly head when things are quite, my hearing is 100%.

Unfortunately, symptoms of hearing damage do not always develop immediately so I probably have some piper paying to do down the road. It is one of life's cruel ironies that you often end up paying for the mistakes you made when you were young and stupid during the period of life where you are older and wiser.
 
When I was a kid (1950's) we had never heard of hearing protection. We had m-80's, cherry bombs and lots of high powered fireworks. We shot rifles and shotguns without thinking of what that level of noise would do to our hearing. When I graduated from college my parents were living on the property that my dad worked for. There was a covered carport that I would stand in and shoot at the range that I had cut so that I could shoot rain or shine. That is were I learned to shoot large caliber pistols and rifles. After several rounds I was having a hard time hearing. About that time I found out about hearing protection. I'm surprised I didn't do more damage than I did. Sure I have the constant buzz and I have to turn the radio and tv up to understand what is being said, but I'm not near as bad as my wife, she has been wearing hearing aids for several years now. So take care of your eyes and ears, you only get one set.
 
Who let's a 10 year old fire a gun without hearing protection?
These days? I would hope no one would.

Unfortunately many years ago people were not as aware of hearing damage from loud noises and many of us my age shot as kids and even young adults with no hearing protection. Add to that the machinery I have worked around for decades, and it results in hearing loss, some tinnitus, despite having worn hearing protection religiously for the last 30 years when shooting. I wish I had been smart enough to wear it when working in the machine room all those years. I guess I figured it wasn't loud enough to do damage, but I was obviously wrong.
 
As a child of the 80s, I grew up in the bridge between kids with untold freedom and kids sheltered by their parents and raised by the tv. All those changes in the way people raised kids happened at some point in time, I grew up when safety glasses and earplugs became more mainstream, but still weren't universally accepted and certainly weren't universally demanded.

To ask who would let a kid shoot without hearing protection is a slam to a whole bunch of us here. That insinuates that you believe our parents to be bad parents. No qualifier on whether it was accepted, demanded, or even thought of. Who lets their kids leave home after lunch without a cell phone and tell them to just get home before dark...are they bad parents too? Were they just the parents of the fifties and sixties who did what was normal? Who would build a house out of asbestos? Who would let a kid ride in a car without a seatbelt? Are they all bad parents and bad people?

I'm sorry if I took that comment wrong, but I see it as an insult to the parents on this forum, and the people here who have parents that let them shoot without ears on. In the last couple decades, yeah it's been pretty common. Before then, much less so.
 
If you are 31 and have been shooting for 20+ years, we are talking about 1995.

Who didn't know about hearing protection for shooting in 1995? Were the health benefits of smoking hotly contested way back then, too?
 
I have occasional spells of tinnitus, gotten a lot better over the past few years. If I shoot a few rounds of 22lr in a rifle I don't wear protection, anything else I do. If I'm hunting, I usually don't wear any protection. My son has only heard a 22lr rifle unprotected a few times. He even wore my electronic muffs when he shot his deer recently.
 
If you are 31 and have been shooting for 20+ years, we are talking about 1995.

Who didn't know about hearing protection for shooting in 1995? Were the health benefits of smoking hotly contested way back then, too?
We are talking about 25 years. An entire generation ago. Do I need to explain from a Safety Professionals viewpoint the history of hearing protection from the late 1940s Air Force standards to 1980 when it became normalized DOD protocol to protect the hearing of servicemen...or until 1980 when it was written as 29cfr1910.95...or thaw late 90s when MSHA promulgated standards for hearing protection. Yep, standards were in place, but the OSH act signed by Nixon? was weak until the Clinton administration beefed up the power of OSHA and staffed it well enough to get the attention of general industry so that they would actually follow the standards. That's how most people learned about hearing conservation, OSHA mandated programs at work...during the Clinton administration.

I could go at it from a different angle, social history...throughout history people lost hearing as they got older. It was accepted that at older ages you couldn't hear as well. It was quite recently that people started understanding that loud noises caused small injuries that add up. Couple the recent realization to natural human stubbornness and you get what we had in the 80s until today. People do things one way for however long and then are forced to try to change a behavior and a way of thinking. Doesn't happen overnight, happens over a few generations. My dad grew up not wearing ear pro, he made me do it when he remembered to do it himself when he went to a factory in 95. It was fairly rare but I did occasionally wear earpro as a kid...better than he did. If I ever have kids they will do better than I did and so forth until it just becomes normal. That's how change happens.

A lot of people today have a twisted view of the world as if everybody grew up how they did, knew what they knew and experienced what they experienced themselves. That's just not the case. Different things happen in different places at different times for no apparent reason. Where I grew up nobody really though much of hearing protection but by durn nobody smoked at the gas station. Kinda wierd how that happens.

I said all that to illustrate this point. Just because something is normal in one place it may not be normal in other places. The words you used were offensive to me because at first it felt like an attack on my father...and it was. It was also an attack on the parents here that have let their kids shoot without eyes and ears on. It was an attack on the parents of most of our members here since most members are at least as old as I am if not older. Please stop and realize that there is no universally understood thoughts, ideas, or practices. Each thing we do or think as humans is a learned behavior or idea. It takes a while for an idea in a small group to become popular in a large population.
 
You have a loss of the ability to hear higher frequency sounds. Which is the normal result of being subjected to loud noise or large over-pressures over a period of time.

And age. As we get older, humans (especially men) lose sensitivity to the high frequency range.

Normal human hearing range is 10 octaves, ~20-20,000 Hz (the 2nd widest of all mammals, cats being 1st). But that upper end is easier for youngsters; those of us 30, 40 and older need greater and greater intensity to perceive those high frequencies.

I have sensitivity down to 16 hz, but it drops off at about 16 KHz, and I really can't hear anything over 18.5 KHz, regardless of intensity. I'm 34.
 
Last edited:
WestKentucky:

When I was a child, seatbelts had not even been invented.

And there were commercials featuring an actor in a white coat saying "4 out of 5 doctors recommend Camels".
 
lol, yea, Reagan was touting some brand (Don't remember which one) to get rid of "smokers cough". :rolleyes:

I shot guns in the sixties and early seventies without hearing protection. No one I knew wore ear protection. By 1975 I was aware of and used hearing protection, but it still took a few years to understand why we should seek out the better muffs and not use the cheap ones.

1995? It's hard to imagine anyone being unaware of the need for using hearing protection, but I am sure there were some.
 
I just want to add in that my tinnitus came from a single session of unprotected shooting involving fewer than 50 rounds fired from a .22 rimfire revolver.

Prolonged exposure can damage hearing, but even a single event can leave you with a lifetime problem. Protect your hearing EVERY TIME.
 
It only took my first trip to the indoor gun range to realize I needed better hearing protection than I could get from a cheap pair of ear plugs (took nearl 24 hours for the ringing sound to go away. Since then I use both easily molded ear plugs and over-the-head ear muff type hearing protectors whenever I go shooting.
 
And age. As we get older, humans (especially men) lose sensitivity to the high frequency range.

Normal human hearing range is 10 octaves, ~20-20,000 Hz (the 2nd widest of all mammals, cats being 1st). But that upper end is easier for youngsters; those of us 30, 40 and older need greater and greater intensity to perceive those high frequencies.

I have sensitivity down to 16 hz, but it drops off at about 16 KHz, and I really can't hear anything over 18.5 KHz, regardless of intensity. I'm 34.

Is it really just the age of men, or are the numbers possibly influenced by the fact that for the most part men work in the jobs that exposed them to louder noises?
 
It truly amazes me sometimes how people on something like a gun forum can go on and on about personal responsibility and the importance of parenting, but in the next breadth are making excuses for lapses by their own parents, like it is just a problem of information getting out to everyone.

But it is cultural. There are many places in the US that culturally ignore medical and child safety information. And it is reflected in smoking rates and other measures. I went to college with a woman from WV who managed to "escape" from a high school where the majority of female students got pregnant and didn't graduate. And everyone smoked.
 
Is it really just the age of men, or are the numbers possibly influenced by the fact that for the most part men work in the jobs that exposed them to louder noises?

I don't think the studies ever factored that, just that samples of people show reduced sensitivity to higher frequencies as we age, with men being more affected. It probably is a factor, but I'm certainly not well versed enough in acoustics or audiology to say yes or no with any degree of certainty
 
but in the next breadth are making excuses for lapses by their own parents
No excuses, just relaying the facts. It wasn't that long ago (A few decades) that people in general weren't as aware of potential hearing damage and shot guns without it.

Blame it on whoever you wish, but it was common, and a reason many old shooters have tinnitus or loss of hearing.

Smoking is dumb IMHO, but as long as I want to be free, and pay for my health insurance, and so do they, I have to be willing to let them be free and smoke.

If we continue the path we are on soon .gov will be footing the bill for healthcare and will put all kinds of restrictions on people if they want coverage. You smoke? OK, but we won't give you treatment for cancer if you get it. You use sugar? OK, but we won't do this or that for you. Or they will just make people pay "premiums" to .gov, and they will jack yours up 500% if you don't follow their decrees.

But I digress. :)
 
It's interesting to me that your left ear has significantly more loss than your right. What do you suppose might be the cause of that? Out of curiosity, are you right-handed or left-handed?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top