I think thats a terrible attitude. We get outraged at the idea that our soldiers don't have the best body armor or aren't receiving proper instructions in the care and upkeep of their rifles. They need all have sufficient hearing protection and the training on how to properly use it as well.
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I think thats a terrible attitude. We get outraged at the idea that our soldiers don't have the best body armor or aren't receiving proper instructions in the care and upkeep of their rifles. They need all have sufficient hearing protection and the training on how to properly use it as well.
Harley Quinn
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Yep done that
Floppy_D
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Good thing I wasn't around back then, my ears are .40 cal. 
Buck Nekkid
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I've suffered from tinnitus for more than 20 years, mostly the result of competitive trap shooting. I always have a buzzing in the left ear and about half the time in the right.
I've done the research. There is NO CURE for tinnitus. At least not now. I've joined the American Tinnitus Association to keep up with the changing science and technology. I recommend that if you or a compadre has tinnitus that you check out the ATA. It's a non profit research organization that is finding solutions to this really dibilitating condition. Here's their website: ATA
I've done the research. There is NO CURE for tinnitus. At least not now. I've joined the American Tinnitus Association to keep up with the changing science and technology. I recommend that if you or a compadre has tinnitus that you check out the ATA. It's a non profit research organization that is finding solutions to this really dibilitating condition. Here's their website: ATA
Why not? A sturdy silencer made of steel and inconel can take the abuse that a belt fed dishes out.
As for the supersonic crack, its only 1 component of the noise. The initial concussion of a lead cork being popped at 50k PSI can be remedied by a silencer.
There is a *huge* difference between a 223 with no silencer and a 223 with a silencer.
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CZ and HSO, thank you for the product recommendations. I have set aside my firearm purchasing in favor of armor. hearing protection falls under armor for me. I looked up both mentioned products:
Peltor MT15H69FB: http://www.talonarms.com/talonarms/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=401 - list price is $280. Perhaps I might set up a group buy for these, if they are as good as CZ says they are. CZ, please let me know what those other products are. In a real SHTF scenario, I want my fire team to be equipped as best as possible. $280 per member, a total cost of $1500 all five, isn't all that much. The way I see it I'd rather spend money on protective equipment I might never actually use rather than yet another rifle or handgun.
Surefire EP4: I can't find EP4, but I found the EP3. It's $10. http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/376/sesent/00
Peltor MT15H69FB: http://www.talonarms.com/talonarms/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=401 - list price is $280. Perhaps I might set up a group buy for these, if they are as good as CZ says they are. CZ, please let me know what those other products are. In a real SHTF scenario, I want my fire team to be equipped as best as possible. $280 per member, a total cost of $1500 all five, isn't all that much. The way I see it I'd rather spend money on protective equipment I might never actually use rather than yet another rifle or handgun.
Surefire EP4: I can't find EP4, but I found the EP3. It's $10. http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/376/sesent/00
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Quality electronic earmuffs would probably solve much of this problem. I have a pair that I bought for about $60.
They immediately dampen loud noises and allow in speach and softer noises. Most of you know what I'm talking about.
This would significantly save tax payers money in the short and long run, increase troop morale, and most importantly save many troops their hearing.
I'm packing for deployment right now and this just reminded me to throw in my Peltor electronic earmuffs. I just tried them on under my ACH (helmet) and they fit perfectly; actually make the helmet fit better.
They immediately dampen loud noises and allow in speach and softer noises. Most of you know what I'm talking about.
This would significantly save tax payers money in the short and long run, increase troop morale, and most importantly save many troops their hearing.
I'm packing for deployment right now and this just reminded me to throw in my Peltor electronic earmuffs. I just tried them on under my ACH (helmet) and they fit perfectly; actually make the helmet fit better.
Not being trained to use the IPE they're issued is stupid. At the very least the gear should come with an instruction manual.
Of course, I'm also to the point of thinking that we might want to look at almost a motorcycle helmet - complete with integrated active hearing protection/enhancement - IE it provides a substantial DB supression natively, while the active part amplifies quiet sounds while shifting to suppression for the louder noises.
Integrate the electronics into the helmet so soldiers are more likely to use them, as well as provide additional protection.
Of course, I'm also to the point of thinking that we might want to look at almost a motorcycle helmet - complete with integrated active hearing protection/enhancement - IE it provides a substantial DB supression natively, while the active part amplifies quiet sounds while shifting to suppression for the louder noises.
Integrate the electronics into the helmet so soldiers are more likely to use them, as well as provide additional protection.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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Every soldier overseas now has been trained in the use of their issued ear pro. Whether they forget how or choose to ignore them is their and their NCO's problem.
jrfoxx
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Another real problem to remember, that most people never think about, or even know about (I had no idea), and one thats certainly not limited to the military, is the damage caused by exposure to constant noise of the same (relatively low) volume and frequency. I'm referring to backgroud noise that no one would think is near loud enough to cause any problems at all.The trouble is, thats true, the volume isnt the problem, its the constant exposure to the same fequency.I found this out the hard way from my 5 years in the Navy.The constant exposue to jet engines on the flightline/flightdeck nearby, but being in a hanger or shop where it doesnt seem loud at all, and hearing protecion is not required, and the constant drone of the equipment in my shop(AIMD), has caused me to have noticeble hearing loss. Mostly it just consists of having difficulty understanding what people are saying and distinguishing the words being spoken, as opposed to what one would normally think of as hearing loss.So,for your own sake, be aware oft his problem if you work around machinery that is constantly droning in the background, and are around it all day, every day, even if it doesn't seem loud at all, and just seems like mild background noise.WEAR HEARING PROTECTION anyways, (as long as safety and rules allow, obviously) Dont get surprised like I did.
I never had any problems being able to hear in general as well as ever, per se, so I had no idea I was causing damage, until I started to notice that although I could hear sounds and conversation as well as always, I was having trouble clearly making out the exact words being said.I routinely have to decipher what people are saying, as a lot of times what I think I heard them say, obviously isnt what they said, and I know it, so I have to figure out based on the sound of the words I misunderstood, what words it was they were actually saying.Because of this, I now receive 10% disability from the VA. I have honestly never been particularly comfortable taking, as I feel there are mlitary people with genuine, serious disabilities and wounds who deserve it, not me, but I wasnt really given much choice, as my command figured out the hearing loss during routine screening, and I was actually ORDERED to fill out the VA papers and submit my records prior to being allowed to be dischared. Oh well, I use the little bit of money I get from it to donate to veteran's organizaions, and to pay my membrship in the American Legion, and Disabled American Veterans (as membership dues help fund thier programs), which I feel are very worthy causes, and aleviate my guilty feelings.
As a funny side note though, I will say it can kind of make life a bit humourous, as my misunderstning of what people say sometimes ends up with them sonding like they said some SERIOUSLY funny stuff, so I guess at least I get to laugh at it a little. Case in point, during my specialized hearing testing for this with the VA, the audiologist puts me in a both, and reads words off a list, and I was to repeat what I thought the word was.Well, this woman has anti-Iraq war propoganda ALL OVER her office, and had told me to tell her what words I thought I heard NO MATTER what, even if I knew what I heard was obviously wrong. Well, I have no idea what word she actualy said, but the word I heard, and had to reapeat to the woman who had ranted about the military, government, and war on terror to me, was the most hated word by females, that rhymes wth "bunt". The look on her face was kinda priceless, and hey, she said to repeat what I heard, adn I swear, that's what I heard, so., I just did what I was told....
I never had any problems being able to hear in general as well as ever, per se, so I had no idea I was causing damage, until I started to notice that although I could hear sounds and conversation as well as always, I was having trouble clearly making out the exact words being said.I routinely have to decipher what people are saying, as a lot of times what I think I heard them say, obviously isnt what they said, and I know it, so I have to figure out based on the sound of the words I misunderstood, what words it was they were actually saying.Because of this, I now receive 10% disability from the VA. I have honestly never been particularly comfortable taking, as I feel there are mlitary people with genuine, serious disabilities and wounds who deserve it, not me, but I wasnt really given much choice, as my command figured out the hearing loss during routine screening, and I was actually ORDERED to fill out the VA papers and submit my records prior to being allowed to be dischared. Oh well, I use the little bit of money I get from it to donate to veteran's organizaions, and to pay my membrship in the American Legion, and Disabled American Veterans (as membership dues help fund thier programs), which I feel are very worthy causes, and aleviate my guilty feelings.
As a funny side note though, I will say it can kind of make life a bit humourous, as my misunderstning of what people say sometimes ends up with them sonding like they said some SERIOUSLY funny stuff, so I guess at least I get to laugh at it a little. Case in point, during my specialized hearing testing for this with the VA, the audiologist puts me in a both, and reads words off a list, and I was to repeat what I thought the word was.Well, this woman has anti-Iraq war propoganda ALL OVER her office, and had told me to tell her what words I thought I heard NO MATTER what, even if I knew what I heard was obviously wrong. Well, I have no idea what word she actualy said, but the word I heard, and had to reapeat to the woman who had ranted about the military, government, and war on terror to me, was the most hated word by females, that rhymes wth "bunt"
. The look on her face was kinda priceless, and hey, she said to repeat what I heard, adn I swear, that's what I heard, so., I just did what I was told....Harley Quinn
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Tinnitus is the result of that noise and some mention caffine makes it worse.
http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/hearing/tinnitus.cfm
I suffer from it as others have mentioned also. The above article/link is a good one.
http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/hearing/tinnitus.cfm
I suffer from it as others have mentioned also. The above article/link is a good one.
rcmodel
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I got to wonder how much hearing damage these young GI's got from having an I-Pod blasting Hip-Hop in thier ears from 10 years age on up!
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