What the heck is wrong with my P225?

1KPerDay · Jul 20, 2017

I waited 30 years to buy one. I lusted after this pistol as a lad. I love its looks and ergos. But danged if I can hit anything with it. I'm no bullseye champion but I'm no slouch either. I've won a few local handgun matches. I post the following comparative offhand, 18 yard groups for comparison first.

1. Dan Wesson 1911 roughly 3 inch group
2. FN Hi Power roughly 2 inch group
3. Glock 22 roughly 4 inch group

1KPerDay · Jul 20, 2017

My P226 and P220 shoot similar groups for me. Now look at this. 2/3 size IDPA torso P225 offhand 18 yards 8 shots. Yes that's one in the brain and one in the belt buckle. I can't figure out what's wrong and it's driving me maaaaaaad

ArchAngelCD · Jul 20, 2017

Is it a new gun? Is there a possibility the barrel is shot out or out of specs?

That is the only thing I can think of for such a wide spread at on 18 yards, especially compare to tithe other targets.

9mmepiphany · Jul 20, 2017

Is it a commercial 225 or a P6?
Original springs?
Factory stocks?

Every 225 I've shot (about 12) has been very accurate right out of the box. Can't really say the same about the P6s I've shot (about 4) as they are usually oversprung

Odd Job · Jul 20, 2017

It's not a problem with your shooting, I agree

1KPerDay · Jul 20, 2017

Factory P225, police trade in from a recent batch. Condition excellent, very little wear apparent. Factory grips and serialized matching barrel. Night sights.

1KPerDay · Jul 20, 2017

9mmepiphany said:
Every 225 I've shot (about 12) has been very accurate right out of the box. Can't really say the same about the P6s I've shot (about 4) as they are usually oversprung

Forgive my ignorance but how does being oversprung affect accuracy? Unless you're talking mainspring which might affect trigger weight? Is that it?

TomJ · Jul 20, 2017

1KPerDay said:
Factory P225, police trade in from a recent batch. Condition excellent, very little wear apparent. Factory grips and serialized matching barrel. Night sights.

How does the inside of the barrel look?

Mot45acp · Jul 20, 2017

Any marks/defects near the crown? Run your finger around it. Feel anything? Think of wear and tear from being police trade in. Not so much shooting, but depending on type of holster the officer(s) used. Rubbing on seatbelt latch, scraped on the asphalt while in a scuffle type of thing.

9mmepiphany · Jul 20, 2017

1KPerDay said:
Unless you're talking mainspring which might affect trigger weight? Is that it?

Yes, especially with the German and Swiss LE trade in guns.

Hows the lockup at the barrel hood?
Indications of wear, where the hood slips under the front of the ejection port?

JDR · Jul 20, 2017

As much as I like my own Sig P6 I can't shoot it as accurately as my DW Valor or my BHP out to about 17 yards, and I wouldn't expect to be able to do so.

I dare say that's not the intended purpose of a shorter sight-radius pistol like the P6. With more practice you can certainly shoot it very accurately but I think it's a reach to try to match the accuracy of the other guns cited

9mmepiphany · Jul 20, 2017

I never had an issue making accurate shots with any departmental P225 out to 25 yards...regular firearms qualification went to 15 yards and required 20 yard shots to graduate from the academy.

Our issue duty pistol at the time was the P229, but the cadets were issued the P225 during the academy. The DA trigger pull of the P225 will never equal the larger P226 because of different trigger geometry, but the smaller pistol was fully as accurate. The P225 was considered a good training pistol for the P229 because the grips were the same size...the stock panels of the P225 are much thicker

tarosean · Jul 20, 2017

1KPerDay said:
can't figure out what's wrong and it's driving me maaaaaaad

were they at speed or slow and steady? just curious as the bore axis is a bit higher than the others you mentioned. You might not be used to the torquing if you're shooting fast.

1KPerDay · Jul 20, 2017

Mot45acp said:
Any marks/defects near the crown? Run your finger around it. Feel anything? Think of wear and tear from being police trade in. Not so much shooting, but depending on type of holster the officer(s) used. Rubbing on seatbelt latch, scraped on the asphalt while in a scuffle type of thing.

Barrel looks flawless inside and out. Crown looks fine feels fine.

1KPerDay · Jul 20, 2017

tarosean said:
were they at speed or slow and steady? just curious as the bore axis is a bit higher than the others you mentioned. You might not be used to the torquing if you're shooting fast.

Slow and steady for all groups. I shoot a P226 regularly as well as 220s and 228.

1KPerDay · Jul 20, 2017

JDR said:
As much as I like my own Sig P6 I can't shoot it as accurately as my DW Valor or my BHP out to about 17 yards, and I wouldn't expect to be able to do so.

I dare say that's not the intended purpose of a shorter sight-radius pistol like the P6. With more practice you can certainly shoot it very accurately but I think it's a reach to try to match the accuracy of the other guns cited

It's not a micro pistol. It's basically a P228 slim. I shoot PM9, Shield, G43, and G26 better than this P225. Which makes zero sense to me.

mongoslow · Jul 20, 2017

1KPerDay said:
It's not a micro pistol. It's basically a P228 slim. I shoot PM9, Shield, G43, and G26 better than this P225. Which makes zero sense to me.

have you tried different weight bullets to see if it has a preference? maybe a few different brands too, my P6 has a preference for 115 gr over the 124 & 135 gr loads I've run through it, believe it or not it likes the WWB/JHP 115 gr. the most of anything I've run in it

1KPerDay · Jul 20, 2017

I've only tried 124s and 147s. I'll try some 115s.

zaitcev · Jul 21, 2017

9mmepiphany said:
Hows the lockup at the barrel hood?
Indications of wear, where the hood slips under the front of the ejection port?

I, too, suspect inconsistent lock-up. Note, however, it can also be caused by a bad link pin or wear in the cam slot, not only the hood area wear. The egg wear at the front of the slide may be an issue too, although honestly, I only ever saw that happen on Beretta. My frame of experience is not very wide, sorry.

9mmepiphany · Jul 21, 2017

zaitcev said:
The egg wear at the front of the slide may be an issue too, although honestly, I only ever saw that happen on Beretta.

I have to ask, as I've never heard that term before, can you describe what "Egg Wear" is?

I have both SIGs and Berettas, so I have a frame of reference

zaitcev · Jul 21, 2017

9mmepiphany said:
I have to ask, as I've never heard that term before, can you describe what "Egg Wear" is?

Beretta's barrel does not tilt. But when you put your finger on the muzzle, you can feel it moving up and down. It's only on some guns, not all of them.

9mmepiphany · Jul 21, 2017

zaitcev said:
Beretta's barrel does not tilt. But when you put your finger on the muzzle, you can feel it moving up and down. It's only on some guns, not all of them.

I'm still not clear which part you are referring to which is wearing.
What part(s) does the term "Egg" refer to?
Is it the shape of the wear pattern?

On a Beretta the front of the barrel isn't designed to contact the arch in the slide. The barrel rides on rails in the slide and lockup is via the locking block's ears locking into the sides of the slide

WVsig · Jul 21, 2017

What number are the sights on the gun? Might be the wrong sight height?

9mmepiphany · Jul 21, 2017

WVsig said:
What number are the sights on the gun? Might be the wrong sight height?

Sight numbers don't have any effect of shot dispersion...only group placement

1KPerDay · Jul 21, 2017

Going to slug the bore and measure the OD in case of a previous squib or something.

What the heck is wrong with my P225?

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