stchman
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From what I understand, an "assault weapon" is a firearm capable of select fire (semi-auto to full-auto). In anti-gun terms, an evil machine gun.
See post #15.From what I understand, an "assault weapon" is a firearm capable of select fire (semi-auto to full-auto). In anti-gun terms, an evil machine gun.
Im seeing this term thrown around but no clear idea what defines it.
This bill in Oregon calls it a semi auto rifle with a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds.
https://www.statesmanjournal.com/st...s-require-owners-surrender-weapons/444530002/
I don’t understand that. Isn’t any rifle with a detachable magazine capable of potentially holding more than 10rounds? Is it possible at for a rifle with a detachable magazine not able to accept magazines over 10? Does that exist?
I prefer "Stalinesque".The term means exactly whatever the gun banners say it means at the time. Completely Orwellian.
How about....NO!How about any weapon that was full-auto in its original military configuration, and had to be adapted to semi-auto only for civilian sale
Apt, as that regime saw the coining of several bits of newspeak--like "Potemkin Village."I prefer "Stalinesque".
Do you have any evidence for this claim? I don’t dispute that the gun industry has used the term for marketing, but it’s not clear to me who was the first to use the term. I found an article by Wayne King in the New York Times that uses the term, and that article was written in 1980. Can you show me a time the term was used by the gun industry before that?"Assault weapon" was a term invented by manufacturers and gun writers in the late 70s, early 80s as a marketing term.
Yeah, don't fact-shame me with your facts, bro!
Going back to what I said about Orwellian language; 'whatever-shaming' is definitely another example, as is 'whatever-splaining,' as is 'whatever-lobby' and 'whatever-violence.' Basically, any two-word combination 'word' is generally a bogus term coined to mislead people (the English language was not designed such that every noun needed an adjective paired with it in order to convey meaning; these were added by liars to obfuscate the noun in question, by 'cloaking' it in the adjective.
We don't speak-talk by putting-oning extra-redundant descriptor-adjectives unless we're peddling "alternate-facts" (what's really creepy, is that in typing this, I realized that there are people out there who almost sound like this, conversing almost entirely in Newspeak)
Many claim the term assault weapon (to include shotguns and pistol caliber firearms) was invented by some antigunner. I beg to differ....
OK, then show some evidence that proves he's right. So far I've shown in my previous post that the New York Times used the term "assault weapon" as early as 1980. Please show me where the gun industry used that term for marketing purposes before then. If you can show me some evidence, I'll be happy to concede that you're right. Until then, I'll remain skeptical, because it annoys me when people make claims without providing a shred of evidence.Someone that knows his history and isn't trying to rewrite it. Refreshing.
Someone that knows his history and isn't trying to rewrite it. Refreshing.
So is it your position that "assault weapon" is a true technical class of firearms or merely that the phrase was informally used before being adopted as a psuedo-technical term by gun ban activists? If it is the second, what does that mean? Or maybe there is another possibility?
If you don't mind, what is your position on efforts to ban semi-auto firearms?
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I'll say that I'm not claiming that the terms "assault rifle" and "assault weapon" have never been used as marketing terms by the gun industry, because they obviously have. What I take issue with is the claim made by @GRIZ22 that the term "assault weapon" was specifically invented by the gun industry. And that's a claim that you appeared to agree with in your previous post.My position is that the term Assault Rifle and Assault Weapon was widely used in the gun community in the 80's and 90's
No. You're confused about the terminology used in this thread. Once again I'm going to encourage everyone to read post #15, which explains the difference between assault weapons and assault rifles. This thread is about the made-up political term "assault weapon", not the valid (but often misused) term "assault rifle".Proof. Well I didn't save all my gun magazines. Will vintage Guns & Ammo covers do?
The Left is well aware of this tactic as they decry the term illegal-alien. Therefore the term undocumented-immigrant is used exclusively.
No. You're confused about the terminology used in this thread. Once again I'm going to encourage everyone to read post #15, which explains the difference between assault weapons and assault rifles. This thread is about the made-up poltical term "assault weapon", not the valid (but often misused) term "assault rifle".