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Assault Weapons - What defines one...?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Diesle, Feb 3, 2003.

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  1. Diesle

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    Im confused. What spicific parts define a weapon as an assault weapon? Every manufaturer makes a riffle that, to the common'er, looks like a banned assault weapon.

    Please help me understand....

    Diesle

    Legal Ref:

    The 1994 assault weapons ban - On September 13, 1994, Congress adopted the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. That Act amended the Gun Control Act of 1968, making it “unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon.†18 U.S.C. § 922(v)(1). The term “semiautomatic assault weapon†is defined to include 19 named firearms and copies of those firearms, as well as certain semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns that have specified characteristics. 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(30). The 1994 Act also banned the transfer and possession of “large capacity ammunition feeding devices,†defined to include magazines manufactured after the enactment of the Act that are capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition. 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(w)(1), 921(a)(31).

    The 1994 Act did not, however, prohibit the continued transfer or possession of assault weapons or high-capacity ammunition magazines manufactured before the law’s effective date. Manufacturers took advantage of this loophole by boosting production of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines in the months leading up to the ban, creating a legal stockpile of these items. In addition, in the years since the ban went into effect, manufacturers have successfully circumvented the law by making minor modifications to the weapons they produce. As a result, assault weapons and high-capacity magazines continue to be readily available - and legal - nationwide, except where specifically banned by state or local law.

    The federal assault weapons ban is scheduled to expire on September 13, 2004.
     
  2. cheygriz

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    The pentagon, and most armies around he world define an assualt Rifle as:

    1. Selective fire+++ REPEAT SELECTIVE FIRE++++
    2. short, carbine length
    3. Using a medium powdered cartridge. (In betwen a pistol cartridge and a traditional high powerd rifle cartridge.)
    4. Light weight, at least as compared to precious mil;itary rifles.
     
  3. Rebel Gunman HK

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    That rifle would be mine!!! And that cop is lying ! Fell out of his trunk my butt! Why do we accept lame @** excuses like that from the "authorites"? They think they we are really dumb.
     
  4. stans

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    If I remember correctly, the term "assault rifle" was coined by none other than Adolf Hitler. He used the term "sturm gehwer" to describe a rifle chambered in a caliber that was less powerful than the 8x57 Mauser and more powerful than the 9mm (used in the MP-38/MP-40 machine pistol) was smaller than the KAR-98 Mauser and was capable of full automatic fire. The modern media applies this term to any firearm or other implement that can potentially be used to harm another human being. At some point I expect golf clubs and baseball bats to be labelled as assualt weapons.
     
  5. Hoploholic

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    What cheygriz said!
     
  6. Col. Mustard

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    Assault rifle defintions

    They vary some by state, but in general (real military definitions notwithstanding) an "assault rifle" includes some combination of detachable magazines, folding stock, bayonet lug, pistol grip... and maybe other features I'm forgetting.

    Rebel Gunman, I think you wandered into the wrong thread by mistake. Your thread is down the hall, to the right. :rolleyes:

    Actually, it's "sturm Gewehr." Ask me how I know... :rolleyes:
     
  7. Flying V

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    What defines an "assault weapon"? The reflexive twitching of hoplophobic politicians.
    The only real assault rifles are those designated sturmgewehr by the Germans and Swiss.
     
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    Ummm . . . assault is a behavior, not a device. That said, I don't see how any of the features listed make the weapon any more suited for assault versus defense, like what's the difference, really? It's all about CONTROL, not gunz.
     
  9. Diesle

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    Well, Im clear as a whisle now....


    Diesle
     
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    Separate pistol grip, detachable mag, folding stock, bayonet lug, flash hider. Any three of the above is classified by ATF as preban features or whatever hogswill terms they go by.

    In short anything mfd after Sept 94 can have two of the dreaded features but not three. Most opt for the separate pistol grip and detachable mag and jettison the other features.
     
  11. Hkmp5sd

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    Hopefully, after next year, an assault weapon will return to being a select fire rifle using an intermediate sized cartridge.
     
  12. Diesle

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    OK, so pretty much everything in the Bushmaster line is illegal then.....?????

    Im being facecious obviously. But, i would like to know how exactly this game is played.


    Diesle
     
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    On a gun manufactured after Sep 94 you can have TWO evil features, NOT THREE. Referring to the AR15 type, the flash hiders they have now are called muzzle brakes or sompin and you will note that they have a small hole in the end vice a real flashhider which has a large hole. Also, I believe the muzzle brake is permanently attached to the bbl on the post ban. So they get THREE features by that dodge. The collapsible stock is a no no so they have come up with a faux collapsible stock that does not collapse. The bayo lug usually is just dispensed with. Clear as mud?
     
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    I feel so much safer just knowing that I cannot be shot with a rifle with a pistol grip, a detachable mag, AND a bayonet lug on it, unless it was made before 1994. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Hkmp5sd

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    Ok, here's how ATF plays the game.

     
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    OK COL how do you know
     
  17. Diesle

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    Hkmp5sd,

    Excellent information. Can you site your source?

    Thank you very much!

    Diesle
     
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    O. SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS AND
    LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES

    (O1) What restrictions does Federal law impose on semiautomatic assault
    weapons?
    It is generally unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or
    possess semiautomatic assault weapons after September 13, 1994, the effective
    date of the law. See the exceptions listed in Question O5.
    [18 U.S.C. 922(v)(1)]



    (02) How does the law define the term "semiautomatic assault weapon?"

    The term "semiautomatic assault weapon" is defined to include 19 named
    models of firearms and semiautomatic rifles, semiautomatic pistols, and
    semiautomatic shotguns that have at least 2 of the features specified in the
    law. Frames or receivers for firearms are not regulated as semiautomatic
    assault weapons, since they could be assembled as a firearm other than the 19
    named models of firearms. Likewise, frames or receivers are not semiautomatic
    assault weapons under the "features" test of the law because they do not yet
    have the features necessary to bring them within the definition.
    Semiautomatic assault weapons in knockdown (disassembled) condition
    consisting of a receiver and all parts needed to assemble a complete
    semiautomatic assault weapon are subject to regulation if the parts are
    segregated or packaged together and held by a person as the parts for the
    assembly of a particular firearm.
    [18 U.S.C. 921(a)(30)]

    http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/qa.pdf

    SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS and
    LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING
    DEVICES under Title 18, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER
    44 as amended by Public Law 103-322 The Violent Crime Control
    and Law Enforcement Act of 1994
    (enacted September 13, 1994)

    § 921(a)(30) The term 'semiautomatic assault weapon' means:

    (A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
    firearms in any caliber, known as -

    (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
    Kalashnikovs (all models);
    (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil
    (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC70);
    (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
    (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
    (vii) Steyr AUG
    (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC DC-9, and TEC-22; and
    (ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
    Sweeper and Striker 12;


    (B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable
    magazine


    and has at least 2 of

    (i) a folding or telescopic stock;
    (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
    (iii) a bayonet mount;
    (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate
    a flash suppressor;
    and
    (v) a grenade launcher;
     
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    Whereas Mr. Hitler based his definition on capability, those who would protect us in the US base their definition on cosmetics. I can not think of any American being harmed by being bayoneted with an "assault rifle." But then again we are not in the business of dealing with facts, we deal with perceptions.

    It would be interesting to take the bATFE's definitions are relate them to the game of golf.
     
  22. ModIMark0

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    If you really want to get an idea of the range of the definition of 'assault weapon', you should know that when California created its infamous 'assault weapons' ban, a single barrelled, single shot break open shotgun was on the list. Why? Because, the manufacturer Encom put a ventilated barrel and pistol grip stock on it, and when the people looked through lists of firearms, guess what stood out? So the CM-55 became a 'semiautomatic assault weapon' until it was deleted from the list in 1991. Ironically, the so-called 'assualt weapon' (the semiauto Chinesee Kalashnikov) that started the move in California and the U.S. was not included in the ban because of drafting errors (I believe that California's ban initially defined the 'assualt weapons' by name rather than by their charactersitics).
     
  23. Travis McGee

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    To the folks bent on banning them, an "assault rifle" is exactly the same as "semi automatic."

    As far as they are concernted, a Ruger 10-22 is an "assault rifle."

    I even wrote a book (well, I'm almost finished it) about what happen in the weeks after all semi auto rifles are banned, following an "assault rifle massacre" in a packed football stadium.

    The book is called "Enemies Foreign And Domestic", and you can read the first half of it free at this link.

    http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/
     
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    If that is you in the "About the Author" (the photo of the individual with the MAC 10) page of the site you posted the link to, I am guessing that you know Kevin Dockery. Another photo of you shooting the same SMG is in volume 1 of his book 'Special Warfare, Special Weapons: The Arms and Equipment of the UDT and SEALS 1943 to the Present Day'. I am still looking for volume 2. I also enjoyed reading one of the chapters of your book. Thanks for having a portion of it online.
     
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    Actually Hitler didn't like the idea of a Sturmgewehr at all.
    That's why the first Sturmgewehre initially where called Maschinenpistolen.
     
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