Declining hunter numbers in the USA...Your thoughts please.

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Children are as their parents make them. Kids today hunt less because their parents hunt less than the generation before them, and those less than the generation before that.

Yes. Most kids are growing up in families that lack a hunting tradition. Dad and Grand Dad are not interested in hunting: What is a boy who wants to hunt supposed to do?

For years i took interested teenage kids hunting with their parents permission: Only one at a time. i gave them firearms safety classes and taught them how to shoot muzzleloaders. They all took the required hunters safety course. All the boys and the one girl killed deer and/or wild hogs with muzzleloaders. Most are still hunting today.

You would not believe the flak i got from friends: "If something happens you'll be sued", "what if something happens?"
 
One thing I WILL mention, as an elder millennial who doesn’t live in the old-world paradigm of “work/life balance,” but instead in the paradigm of “work/life blend” and I can attest to how that affects how we work in the modern workforce compared to how our parents, grand parents, and great grand parents might have. Most of the folks I have worked with over my career have the same work arrangement, which is a double edged sword. It’s counter-intuitive, but the “flexible modern working arrangements” don’t offer some of the freedoms some folks might expect.

When the two generations before me went hunting during the work week, they took time off from work. Work/life balance. One end of the see-saw was work, one end was life - never touching in the middle. So they took time off and were actually, 100% off. But in their world, you worked 45-60 hours out of 5 specific 12 hour windows during the 5 day workweek. You were either there and working, or you weren’t and weren’t.

For my career, I’ve lived the more progressive “work/life blend.” I’ve filed exactly 5 days of vacation in the last 15yrs, my honeymoon. I’ve taken conference calls with our executive team on a satellite phone while fishing in Alaska, taken text messages from work in the middle of skinning a freshly shot coyote, and send emails from my deerstand all season long. I take half or full days to go scouting here and there, work on my ranch as needed, go to the state fair with my wife, catch my son’s football games, etc - all taking time out of a normal 6-6 M-F work day, without ever taking time off. But I know when I go check game cameras in the morning, I’ll be working at 1am that night to make up the workload. I give the same 45-60 hours, but spread over a 168 hour, 7 day week.

The upside is the liberty and autonomy to break up my day to enjoy my life without wedging myself into a “work for the weekend” lifestyle with my family. For example, today, I loaded ammo for a match this weekend while I was negotiating budgetary contracts for equipment with a couple of vendors on the phone.

BUT - the DOWNSIDE is the fact that tether works both ways. I give my company 24/7 access to me, expecting them to take about 60 hours out of every 168 hour week - and they expect to get it. So “vacation” is a very loose term - I don’t tell my boss I’m going on vacation next month, I tell him I’m working out of the office. My liabilities and expectations really don’t change much - it’s just accepted that for 25 days a year, I won’t answer phone or email for a day or so, instead of being immediately available. Going a full two weeks without any contact to work isn’t a thing. Going on even a full week vacation without phone or email is unheard of.

What all of that means for me: it’s really hard to bend to make time for traditional styles of hunting. My grandpa and his brothers used to take a week and a half of vacation and spend deer camp together. My deer season really doesn’t work that way. I have my phone for emails, sometimes my laptop in my pack, and I spend my evenings working. That’s the downside of being blended with your work instead of balanced. So as more and more workplaces adopt more modern working arrangements, I think folks will be unpleasantly surprised how difficult that world is to apply to certain pastimes like hunting.
 
One thing I WILL mention, as an elder millennial who doesn’t live in the old-world paradigm of “work/life balance,” but instead in the paradigm of “work/life blend” and I can attest to how that affects how we work in the modern workforce compared to how our parents, grand parents, and great grand parents might have. Most of the folks I have worked with over my career have the same work arrangement, which is a double edged sword. It’s counter-intuitive, but the “flexible modern working arrangements” don’t offer some of the freedoms some folks might expect.

When the two generations before me went hunting during the work week, they took time off from work. Work/life balance. One end of the see-saw was work, one end was life - never touching in the middle. So they took time off and were actually, 100% off. But in their world, you worked 45-60 hours out of 5 specific 12 hour windows during the 5 day workweek. You were either there and working, or you weren’t and weren’t.

For my career, I’ve lived the more progressive “work/life blend.” I’ve filed exactly 5 days of vacation in the last 15yrs, my honeymoon. I’ve taken conference calls with our executive team on a satellite phone while fishing in Alaska, taken text messages from work in the middle of skinning a freshly shot coyote, and send emails from my deerstand all season long. I take half or full days to go scouting here and there, work on my ranch as needed, go to the state fair with my wife, catch my son’s football games, etc - all taking time out of a normal 6-6 M-F work day, without ever taking time off. But I know when I go check game cameras in the morning, I’ll be working at 1am that night to make up the workload. I give the same 45-60 hours, but spread over a 168 hour, 7 day week.

The upside is the liberty and autonomy to break up my day to enjoy my life without wedging myself into a “work for the weekend” lifestyle with my family. For example, today, I loaded ammo for a match this weekend while I was negotiating budgetary contracts for equipment with a couple of vendors on the phone.

BUT - the DOWNSIDE is the fact that tether works both ways. I give my company 24/7 access to me, expecting them to take about 60 hours out of every 168 hour week - and they expect to get it. So “vacation” is a very loose term - I don’t tell my boss I’m going on vacation next month, I tell him I’m working out of the office. My liabilities and expectations really don’t change much - it’s just accepted that for 25 days a year, I won’t answer phone or email for a day or so, instead of being immediately available. Going a full two weeks without any contact to work isn’t a thing. Going on even a full week vacation without phone or email is unheard of.

What all of that means for me: it’s really hard to bend to make time for traditional styles of hunting. My grandpa and his brothers used to take a week and a half of vacation and spend deer camp together. My deer season really doesn’t work that way. I have my phone for emails, sometimes my laptop in my pack, and I spend my evenings working. That’s the downside of being blended with your work instead of balanced. So as more and more workplaces adopt more modern working arrangements, I think folks will be unpleasantly surprised how difficult that world is to apply to certain pastimes like hunting.

Thats right on the money. My dad goes to work at 7 and goes home at 4. He has no work phone, he has no way to check company emails, and if they called him he wouldn't answer. I actually work from a home office but my job is 24 hours a day. Some days I have nothing to do at all, other days I am on the computer on a conference call at 3 AM. I am usually working from my phone in the deer stand. Another huge paradigm shift is taking care of kids. Men from my fathers generation had a lot of free time because they came home and did what they want while mom cooked and dealt with the kids. I have kids to take care of every day of the week. It makes it extremely hard to get anything done. Actually I am working today while taking care of my kid because my daughter has a cold. I usually have to work on all my hobbies after 11 pm. My father in law often brags that he has never changed a diaper in his life. I just laugh because I've changed more than my wife.
 
@someguy2800 - I neglected the generational differential for kids. You’re spot on - I spent the first 18mos with my son as Mr. Mom. I traveled less than normal, only 2 days a week during that time, while my wife was working as a vet tech 5-6 days per week. Many weekends, I have the choice, go hunting/shoot a match/fight a judo or BJJ tournament/some other selfish endeavor, or hang out with my son. I try to be sure I spend more time with my son than without. He’s getting of an age now, he can come along, which has been great.

Which is kinda the point of this thread, I suppose. I started teaching my son firearms handling responsibilities when he was just over 1. He got a BB gun when he turned 2, and started shooting a 22LR at 3yrs old. He has been having a hard time this summer understanding why he can’t come to precision rifle matches to shoot with me - I do believe, however, he’ll start shooting NRL-22 matches with me next spring, and we’ll see how that goes before he shoots a centerfire match. I rebuilt my grandpa’s old Iver Johnson/Eric’s Gun & Cycle Works Champion .410 for him to start shooting this fall, hopefully get him on some dove this Sunday. He drives the 4 wheeler when mom’s not around whenever we go out to our hunting spots to cut trees, mow, fill feeders, or check cameras. He recognizes it’s a lot of work, and he does get tired, and he does get bored. But he has been equally thrilled as I am to come out and see the deer I take there - he recognizes the reward for hard work, and patience. We scout together, he points out tracks, scat, feathers and fur, can identity most we find, and asks about ones he doesn’t recognize. We usually take time to hike and scout a spot I don’t actually hunt any more which is nearby and let him shoot hedge apples (he says we’re hunting rabbits, but he’s far too noisy, so it ends up an apple hunt).

It’ll be my fault if he gets bored of hunting as he grows up. Because he loves it so far.
 
Where I am there are many pressures against new people getting into hunting. Can't hunt with a rifle here so a person has to get into archery not an impossible thing but I think they are a bit more intimidating if that is your start point. Hard to get an animal that close, etc. Add to it the fact that the horse people prevent Sunday hunting here, even on PRIVATE land, it makes it even tougher for a person to want to do it as you took away just about 1/2 the days the average person can hunt.

If you put up enough barriers the new person who thinks about it simply won't get into it.

Call me paranoid but I also think the effort to increase archery and blackpowder seasons is a backdoor gun control measure. In a few more years less hunters will own a rifle and so may care less about the next "reasonable" gun grab.
 
I have not read all the posts here but many of them.

some say lack of guys taking their kids hunting. that wasn't me. my son shot deer every year with me since he was 7 yrs old.he loved it and couldnt wait for our next hunt. when he was 15 he shot the biggest deer either one of us had ever seen.

when he got into high school he wanted to concentrate on academics. he did well and grad 8th in his class and had scholarships to a local college.

he got 2 years of free tuition at a local college and some scholarships to rolla school of engineering.

I started noticeing a change after his 2 years at local college. didn't want to hunt any more.

he went on to his 4 year degree and got it easy.

well not easy he worked his ass off for it.

his college professors have changed him. that is easy to see. he spouts their views about global warming, free this and that etc.

don't get me wrong the kid works hard, has good work ethic and is a far better and more moral man than I was at his age.

but I don't really hold out any hope that him and I will ever enter the woods together again.

im sure his peers would be appalled at how he was raised.. I really don't think he could care less what they think but in the long run it could have a effect.

so education could be the cause of less hunters in the woods.
 
but I don't really hold out any hope that him and I will ever enter the woods together again.
If you have a good relationship with him, keep inviting him. Someday he will say yes. It may be 20 years from now. But it will happen. Mark my words. I asked my dad to go hunting with me since I was 14. Answer was always “No. It’s just not my thing”. Last year I turned 35. My dad went on his first deer hunt with me and my brother. And now he can’t wait to go back. Never give up.
 
If you have a good relationship with him, keep inviting him. Someday he will say yes. It may be 20 years from now. But it will happen. Mark my words. I asked my dad to go hunting with me since I was 14. Answer was always “No. It’s just not my thing”. Last year I turned 35. My dad went on his first deer hunt with me and my brother. And now he can’t wait to go back. Never give up.

I should probably be doing the same but I’ve written it off. My dad hunts and fishes and shoots, and everything else I do, I just couldn’t ever get him to take me. My brothers tell me he knows where I stand on that. We did fish in the same boat together two weeks ago for the first time in 15 years.
 
I started noticeing a change after his 2 years at local college. didn't want to hunt any more.

he went on to his 4 year degree and got it easy.

well not easy he worked his ass off for it.

his college professors have changed him. that is easy to see. he spouts their views about global warming, free this and that etc.

No one in my family hunted and for some reason I always wanted to. As boys my neighbor friend and I made bows and arrows when we were about 10. We watched Richard Green in Robin Hood on TV and wanted to shoot deer in "Sherwood Forest". We did shoot a couple of squirrels and one rabbit and we were 'real hunters' then (we thought).

I've had 20 years of education total and didn't really hunt seriously until a friend in graduate school invited me to go with him. It has continued 'til today. I shot my first deer at age 26 when most of the other hunters had killed their first at 14.

Education didn't keep me from hunting, circumstances in school actually introduced me to it. I then mentored my two youngest brothers and even my sister hunts. My son and daughter don't but I coerced my son into letting me take my granddaughter hunting. She has killed a couple of deer and is only 12. Her younger brother asks all the time for me to take him hunting.

Something has to awaken the dormant hunting instinct that I believe is present in all people. A mentor and opportunity give many new hunters the spark. Then it's up to them to fan the flame or let it die. It seems that nowadays most would-be hunters are not even given the basics for that spark.
 
Hunter numbers are declining in the USA. Hunting appears to be slowly dying on the vine. Only 5% of people over the age of 16 are actively hunting that is half of what it was 50 years ago. I’ve got several theories on the why.

1. Lack of being outdoors with kids and a complete lack of desire to be outdoors.

4. Over crowded public hunting areas and low success rates.

5. Lack of mentorship for new hunters.

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These things tend to go in cycles. So from what you wrote, it was 10% of people over the age of 16, fifty years ago..., when I was five. Yet I started hunting at 13, and I lived in suburban Maryland, just outside of DC. ;) The United States population was 205 million in 1970, making the number of people who were counted as hunters 20 million, 500 thousand. The population of the United States in 2010 was 309 million, and five percent of that is 15 million, 450 thousand. So in fifty years, hunters have decreased less than 25%. It may be accelerating, but that's roughly a 2% loss per year.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the above three factors, for the nation. I know of several young men who are interested in hunting, but their fathers either don't hunt, OR they don't have a father in their life, which was reason #5. Add to that the lack of encouragement in the outdoors, which may also stem from reason #5..., as I've found those that hunt also seem to go out into the woods when it isn't hunting season. The overcrowding of the public areas seems to be due to a loss of hunting private land due to destruction of farmland for housing..., at least in my area. 40 years ago farms where I hunted dove and rabbit are now 3-acre estate homes... OH and the owners whine about deer destroying their landscaping, but they don't like hunting.:confused:

So if you find a young person who's interested..., teach them to hunt. :thumbup:


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I know of several young men who are interested in hunting, but their fathers either don't hunt, OR they don't have a father in their life, which was reason #5.

Yep, millions of boys are growing up without fathers.

Concerned with the future of hunting? Take a kid hunting.

IMO: There is no substitute for owning hunting property. i don't own enough.
 
H&H,
You are not wrong on any account. The draw process here in CO is a joke that is weighted in favor of out of state hunters that have to spend thousands just to hunt. Public land is a crap shoot and unless you can afford a guide you are stuck with everyone else.

I firmly believe a shift in weather patterns has had a major impact. Last "winter" we regularly saw tempts in the 60's and more than a few 70's. It never got truly cold nor did we have a heavy snow pack. These have an impact on the movements and behaviors of animals.

Even if it turns out to be nothing more than a themed camping trip, I am still committed to hunting. One day I will get an elk, one day I will pass my love of the outdoors and hunting on to my kids. While it may be on the decline, I don't believe it will ever truly die out. Though it may become far too expensive for the common person.
 
H&H,
You are not wrong on any account. The draw process here in CO is a joke that is weighted in favor of out of state hunters that have to spend thousands just to hunt. Public land is a crap shoot and unless you can afford a guide you are stuck with everyone else.

I firmly believe a shift in weather patterns has had a major impact. Last "winter" we regularly saw tempts in the 60's and more than a few 70's. It never got truly cold nor did we have a heavy snow pack. These have an impact on the movements and behaviors of animals.

Even if it turns out to be nothing more than a themed camping trip, I am still committed to hunting. One day I will get an elk, one day I will pass my love of the outdoors and hunting on to my kids. While it may be on the decline, I don't believe it will ever truly die out. Though it may become far too expensive for the common person.

Just a quick comment on the guided hunt thing.
Three years ago I solo packed about 8 miles into an elkless public unit. Soon after I set up my minimalist camp in the tree line of a beautiful meadow by a babbling creek. I was rudely interrupted by a mule train of about 20 critters with a gaggle of people and equipment. Who proceeded to set up camp about 100 yards from me.

Long story short from the sign there were very few elk in the area. After three days of dealing with the noise and commotion of the massive outfitter camp I packed up and left the area. That “hunt” cost me $42.00 for the tag and some sore muscles. The poor dudes that bought the guided hunt each dropped $5k plus airplane tickets out of state tags, a couple of grand at Cabelas for the latest greatest hunting fashions and whatever else. They also saw no elk. Caveat Emptor! Guided does not mean good, it only means more expensive sometimes.
 
Just a quick comment on the guided hunt thing.
Three years ago I solo packed about 8 miles into an elkless public unit. Soon after I set up my minimalist camp in the tree line of a beautiful meadow by a babbling creek. I was rudely interrupted by a mule train of about 20 critters with a gaggle of people and equipment. Who proceeded to set up camp about 100 yards from me.

Long story short from the sign there were very few elk in the area. After three days of dealing with the noise and commotion of the massive outfitter camp I packed up and left the area. That “hunt” cost me $42.00 for the tag and some sore muscles. The poor dudes that bought the guided hunt each dropped $5k plus airplane tickets out of state tags, a couple of grand at Cabelas for the latest greatest hunting fashions and whatever else. They also saw no elk. Caveat Emptor! Guided does not mean good, it only means more expensive sometimes.

Nothing is 100%, but generally speaking if you use some due diligence in choosing a guide (who hunts for a living) you will have much better luck. Witness the guys who hunt on public land by themselves for years and never get an elk. I subscribe to the rule to never do anything yourself you can get someone else to do better than you can. In my state of NM for under $2K I've hired guides on overnight successful private land hunts for elk, Barbary Sheep and pronghorn. For me to acquire his truck and gear and invest the time to have his level of experience/scouting it would cost me a lot more than the price of a $42 tag. I'm old enough to appreciate downing an animal and having the guide do the rest, and also the safety issue of having a guide/partner instead of being miles into the wild by myself. Neither approach is 'better', like most things in life it really comes down to what you can afford and personal preference.

We as hunters still have it waaay better than Europe, where hunting is truly a rich man's game.

FWIW, I'm a pretty avid hunter raised in a non-hunting family. I remember a few strange looks where I grew up in the Chicago area when people would learn of my interest.

I do think most boys exposed to hunting appreciate it.
 
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Nothing is 100%, but generally speaking if you use some due diligence in choosing a guide (who hunts for a living) you will have much better luck. Witness the guys who hunt on public land by themselves for years and never get an elk. I subscribe to the rule to never do anything yourself you can get someone else to do better than you can. In my state of NM for under $2K I've hired guides on overnight successful private land hunts for elk, Barbary Sheep and pronghorn. For me to acquire his truck and gear and invest the time to have his level of experience/scouting it would cost me a lot more than the price of a $42 tag. I'm old enough to appreciate downing an animal and having the guide do the rest, and also the safety issue of having a guide/partner instead of being miles into the wild by myself. Neither approach is 'better', like most things in life it really comes down to what you can afford and personal preference.

We as hunters still have it waaay better than Europe, where hunting is truly a rich man's game.

FWIW, I'm a pretty avid hunter raised in a non-hunting family. I remember a few strange looks where I grew up in the Chicago area when people would learn of my interest.

I do think most boys exposed to hunting appreciate it.



ca·ve·at emp·tor
ˌkavēˌät ˈem(p)ˌtôr/
noun
  1. the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made.

    You and I are exactly in the same page which is why I mentioned “caveat emptor”, do your home work prior to booking a hunt. ;)
 
ca·ve·at emp·tor
ˌkavēˌät ˈem(p)ˌtôr/
noun
  1. the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made.

    You and I are exactly in the same page which is why I mentioned “caveat emptor”, do your home work prior to booking a hunt. ;)

For sure, there are some horror stories out there.
 
I live in northern Indiana. When I really got back into deer hunting about 30 years ago we would see numerous other hunters during the course of a few days. Last year I don’t remember seeing another hunter anywhere, including the 20 mile trip to our family farm or while hunting. Used to have other hunters on adjacent farms. No more.

I grew up on a farm and everyone was used to being outside and being in nasty weather. My S-I-L always told me he wanted to deer hunt, but after the first few seasons decided he’d rather stay in a warm bed.

My nephew lives on our family farm, used to deer hunt, but doesn’t any more. And the bedding area for B &C Bucks is maybe 100 yards from his front door. Took a 183 a few hundred yards away from his house as it came out of the woods opening day.

When we have remote controls for washing machines and self driving lawn mowers, we gone from soft to super soft
 
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I don’t see the number of deer hunters during gun season as I used to, but I believe it’s because bow hunting has become more popular since the state allowed the crossbow in.
 
People want to spend more time on the sofa playing the sickening video games. Especially the violent games where they just go on and on killing and killing for hours. Do you really think snowflakes would actually have the patience required to hunt? How could they possibly even see a deer 5' in front of them with a cell phone in their face. For God sake, they cannot even walk without one.

My first gun was a old Marlin Mdl 81 from my Dad at about 12 years of age. I cherished it and still own it to this day. Many of these kids now have cell phones that cost around $800. Most are given cars, I worked hard and saved up and bought my first car a $300 VW, The school near me has kids with their own BMW, Mercedes, Jeeps etc.
Most think roughing it, is Bad room service.

The gun on the right is my First Rifle as a Christmas gift from my Dad. Better than any Cell phone ever made or wlll be made. And I took care of it. Still thankful to my Dad after all these years. Thanks Pop. I love you, I miss you.

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[QUOTE="Paul7, post: 10919636, member: 66261

We as hunters still have it waaay better than Europe, where hunting is truly a rich man's game. [/QUOTE

No you don't , and no it isn't. Hunting is done by many working class people my self included. When i lived in England i was a member of a driven pheasant syndicate made up of farm worker, builders and other assorted working people we shot once a fortnight through out the season averaging 50 bird days. Cost £500 a season. There are thousands of similar pheasant syndicates about in England. I had deer hunting on a piece of ground that cost me nothing and shot over 25 deer every year there. I have a friend who shoots on average 100 deer a year and still works full time. Plenty of sport to be had for not a lot of money if you put yourself out. I've worked spaniels on pheasant shoots for 45 years and found you get out what you put in.
Most of Europe has plenty of hunting for the working man.
Sweden had a shrinking number of hunter but things have improved over the last few years. Many more women are getting into hunting and with the explosion of the boar population many more young people are becoming interested in hunting. There was, and still is to a lesser degree to many old farts out in the forest who are not welcoming to young hunters.
 
[QUOTE="Paul7, post: 10919636, member: 66261

We as hunters still have it waaay better than Europe, where hunting is truly a rich man's game. [/QUOTE

No you don't , and no it isn't. Hunting is done by many working class people my self included. When i lived in England i was a member of a driven pheasant syndicate made up of farm worker, builders and other assorted working people we shot once a fortnight through out the season averaging 50 bird days. Cost £500 a season. There are thousands of similar pheasant syndicates about in England. I had deer hunting on a piece of ground that cost me nothing and shot over 25 deer every year there. I have a friend who shoots on average 100 deer a year and still works full time. Plenty of sport to be had for not a lot of money if you put yourself out. I've worked spaniels on pheasant shoots for 45 years and found you get out what you put in.
Most of Europe has plenty of hunting for the working man.
Sweden had a shrinking number of hunter but things have improved over the last few years. Many more women are getting into hunting and with the explosion of the boar population many more young people are becoming interested in hunting. There was, and still is to a lesser degree to many old farts out in the forest who are not welcoming to young hunters.

Thanks for that insight. I actually know very little about European hunting opportunities. I have German realatives and I do know that in Germany there are some very good hunting opportunities. But it is a massive undertaking to get licensed as a hunter in that country.
 
[QUOTE="Paul7, post: 10919636, member: 66261

We as hunters still have it waaay better than Europe, where hunting is truly a rich man's game. [/QUOTE

No you don't , and no it isn't. Hunting is done by many working class people my self included. When i lived in England i was a member of a driven pheasant syndicate made up of farm worker, builders and other assorted working people we shot once a fortnight through out the season averaging 50 bird days. Cost £500 a season. There are thousands of similar pheasant syndicates about in England.

Some of us don't get terribly excited about a canned hunt on farm raised birds.

I had deer hunting on a piece of ground that cost me nothing and shot over 25 deer every year there. I have a friend who shoots on average 100 deer a year and still works full time. Plenty of sport to be had for not a lot of money if you put yourself out. I've worked spaniels on pheasant shoots for 45 years and found you get out what you put in.
Most of Europe has plenty of hunting for the working man.
Sweden had a shrinking number of hunter but things have improved over the last few years. Many more women are getting into hunting and with the explosion of the boar population many more young people are becoming interested in hunting. There was, and still is to a lesser degree to many old farts out in the forest who are not welcoming to young hunters.

Scandinavia might be different, but for most of Europe I call bunk on your post. According to this article, the AVERAGE European hunter spends $30,000 a year to hunt, compared to a US hunter figure of $2,500, and only 1% of Europeans hunt due to the expense and regulations: https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/hunting-europe-white-collar/

Also see: https://iuwest.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/hunting-in-europe-a-rich-mans-sport/

My dad once had a great hunting trip while on a business trip in Italy, but it was on his business associate's 25K acre private estate, not somewhere anyone could hunt on. The US National Forest Service alone, not counting BLM lands, has 193,000,000 acres.
 
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