Mossin nagant, it's ammo, and more info?

It's "Mosin-Nagant". The ammo is called 'rimmed' because the rim extends beyond the body of the case. Rimless ammo does have a rim, but that rim is the same diameter as the body of the case. A .308 Win. has a bullet diameter of .308, but the 7.62x54R bullet has a .310-.312 diameter, and is in no way interchangeable with the .308. Research "Corrosive Ammunition" to answer your other questions.

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Don't urinate down your barrel, please. Windex or another ammonia-based window cleaner works just as well, and smells better, too. The ammonia will help neutralize the corrosive salts from the primers in surplus ammo. That being said, surplus ammo is getting harder and harder to find, and modern ammo is not corrosive, so if using decent ammo that won't be an issue.

after using corrosive ammo, all Ive ever done "special" is to remove the stock, and flush it with a bunch of water while using a bore brush. its just salt, it is water soluble.
finish with compressed air, and of course, re oil.

like previously stated.... you want 7.62x54R ammunition, and nothing else. there is zero compatibility between different cartridges.

I think you need to spend a lot more time in research before you go hunting....

First off a Mosin will run you almost $300. The cost of surplus ammo has gone up to the point that it’s not cheap to shoot. For what a Mosin would cost you, you could buy a new hunting rifle.
But if you do get a Mosin, shooting corrosive ammo is no big deal. People do some crazy things to clean their rifles, but it’s pretty simple. Remember that these rifles were used in combat shootings corrosive ammo. Water is the only thing you need. After shooting just punch the bore with two wet patches, then a dry patch. After that you clean it just like any other rifle.
Trust me I have a Mosin or two.

Steel Horse Rider said:

I think you need to spend a lot more time in research before you go hunting....

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I'll 2nd that. Your post indicates that you're fairly new to this kind thing. Make sure you have all your ducks in a row.

not trying to imply anything....jus' sayin'

What Gunny said. And there are many better options for a hunting rifle for less money and using cheap ammo. That said, contrary to what you may hear, the Mosin is a great surplus rifle and some are very accurate. If that's what you want go for it.

GunnyUSMC said:

Trust me I have a Mosin or two.
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What's your home Mosin arsenal's name in Russian and its cartouche? Asking for future collectors.

One thing left out, unless you get a Mosin carbine, the full length mosin is a long rifle. It is not particularly handy in the woods and its straight stock sends recoil directly back. The safety is probably one of the worst ever adopted in a military issue rifle (leaving aside French rifles which had none), its open sights require good eyes, and the trigger as issued generally sucks. From a design and function standpoint, it suited the Russian military for nearly 50 years and is one of the most rugged of battle rifles and the 7.62x54r cartridge is a very good sporting one. If you want one of this type, spend a bit more and get a Finn Mosin which has a better trigger, generally tighter barrels (if it has a Finn barrel), and better stocks/sights.

However, if you want hunting, you can get a Savage Axis .308 or something similar (including used hunting rifles) for close to the same as a regular Mosin and find non-corrosive ammo everywhere.

as an added bonus, they can multi-task as a shovel, boat oar, or pole vault, and still be okay to fire.

See my username, and believe me when I say that Mosins aren't worth it anymore. I liked Bubba'ing them when they were like $150 a piece - learned a lot about the rifles, learned a lot about woodworking and simple gunsmithing, and had a good time. But for double that price? Just get a new rifle from the factory. It's going to cost the same and be more accurate, shorter, lighter, easier to shoot, and far easier to scope.

Also - surplus ammo has kind of dried up like the rifles have. The corrosive ammo always sucked - dirty, inaccurate, needed immediate cleaning, risk of hangfires, etc , but at $4/box or less, that was all fine. I haven't seen spam cans for a while now, and the surplus I have seen is like $6 or $7 a box at gun shows, so up over 50%.

Wolf has come to the rescue with $9-$10/box new manufacture steel case, which is still pretty affordable, and I wouldn't even consider surplus ammo while Wolf's available for that price. But it's exactly the same cost as Wolf 308 too, so just like there's no money left to save on the rifles, there's no money left to save on ammo any more either.

In short - I'm guessing old forum posts have you thinking Mosins are these memetic, super cheap, fun beaters - and they're still fun, but they're not super cheap any more. I'd just get a Savage Axis for the same price instead, especially if you want a hunting rifle. If you want a plinker that feels a lot like a Mosin, is still cheap to shoot, and won't beat up your shoulder, I'd highly recommend an SKS. You can find some used for as low as $350 or so, which ain't that much more than a Mosin these days. Hell, SKSs are probably cheaper than the M44 carbines.

I wish SKS's were cheaper than M44s! I haven't seen an SKS for under $400 in a loooong time.

I've got an M44, mainly because I like it and use it as a wall decoration mostly. I'd probably trade it in a heart beat for an SKS in decent shape, though.

primalmu said:

I wish SKS's were cheaper than M44s! I haven't seen an SKS for under $400 in a loooong time.

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$400 is about the going rate for a nice SKS in my neck of the woods.

I have to agree with Mosin Bubba about the Mosin line, these days. I keep an old M44 around, for
hog hunting, because it's got the built in bayonet. So you can shoot 'em, stab 'em and give them
the old fashioned beat- down, if you have to.

Did you know the Czar ordered 7.62X54R ammunition, because he wanted dedicated ammo which
other countries wouldn't be able to use in their rifles?

The only two things I can tell you if you decide to go with a Mosin are IME, the cold shot is the most accurate.
Once the barrel starts heating up, kiss your accuracy goodbye. The other thing is Prvi Partizan (PPU)
makes some pretty respectable ammo, which is cleaner and much more accurate than the old spam can
stuff.

But I would agree, maybe you should consider an old Ruger M77 or used Savage in .308. You can probably
get the rifle and a good scope for what a decent Mosin's going to cost, these days, and the barrel on
any new bolt action rifle is going to be years advanced in metallurgy over a Mosin.

Everyone has to start somewhere....it is good to ask questions.

Dibbs said:

I have to agree with Mosin Bubba about the Mosin line, these days. I keep an old M44 around, for
hog hunting, because it's got the built in bayonet. So you can shoot 'em, stab 'em and give them
the old fashioned beat- down, if you have to.

Did you know the Czar ordered 7.62X54R ammunition, because he wanted dedicated ammo which
other countries wouldn't be able to use in their rifles?

The only two things I can tell you if you decide to go with a Mosin are IME, the cold shot is the most accurate.
Once the barrel starts heating up, kiss your accuracy goodbye. The other thing is Prvi Partizan (PPU)
makes some pretty respectable ammo, which is cleaner and much more accurate than the old spam can
stuff.

But I would agree, maybe you should consider an old Ruger M77 or used Savage in .308. You can probably
get the rifle and a good scope for what a decent Mosin's going to cost, these days, and the barrel on
any new bolt action rifle is going to be years advanced in metallurgy over a Mosin.

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You are the first person that I have seen to actually propose a practical use for the Mosin bayonets on these things in a hunting perspective. Well done.

I got one for $99 and had fun sporterizing it.

alfsauve said:

I got one for $99 and had fun sporterizing it.

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You’re making me cry.

Drive by. And just to confuse theboyscout, Mosins will fire 7.62x53R also.

For all you guys that insist you must use hot water, no need to if you use Sweet's 7.62 Solvent. It has ammonia in it that will neutralize the corrosive salts in the primers of ComBloc surplus.

Clean with Hot water with dish soap in it. Just like a Black Powder.

Use a brush with it until it comes out clean. Then run patches through it to get out the rest of the stuff. That will get the salt out.

Don't just use Hoppes or oil to clean i. I did that and it doesn't neutralize the salts. It will corrode.

I like mosins. The surplus ammo is all but gone and I have no intrest in giving rifles a bath so I shoot Brown Bear in mine. I have it in the deer hunting rotation but only as a novelty because I have much more effective hunting rifles. I got mine for $100 a year ago from someone who hadn't gotten the memo on their new found value. I appreciate them for what they are, a simplistic battle rifle, and their place in history.

Looks as though the OP's questions have been answered and I would add that my Model 91/30 Mosin Nagant is very capable with some nice, non-corrosive 150 grain soft point hunting ammo made by Privi Partisan. I already have a soft point hunting handload for it but if I didn't I would use the Privi ammo with confidence. I'm not familiar with Mosin triggers in general but mine breaks at a crisp 5 lbs. 7 oz. average on a Lyman digital gauge. But it feels better than what you would think a 5 lb. trigger would be like. The iron sights were designed for young eyes but I still get by with them. Overall it's still capable of taking whitetail deer although I'm still waiting for one to show up while I'm hunting with the Mosin. Gonna try again this coming season. It's kind of a novelty and somewhat of a challenge, but cool to use historic military bolt guns for deer and they certainly have the ballistic credentials.

GunnyUSMC said:

You’re making me cry.

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The only Mosin Nagant that I have is a 91/59. The Soviets already sporterized it for me, to include grinding off those unrealistic settings on the rear sight.

Sistema1927 said:

The only Mosin Nagant that I have is a 91/59. The Soviets already sporterized it for me, to include grinding off those unrealistic settings on the rear sight.

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I have a couple of them in my carbine collection.