Why don’t we have 9x39 in the US?

I sure wish we did

It would make a sweet suppressed platform round

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It would make a sweet suppressed platform round

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That’s exactly what I would want it for.

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Well, ballistically, we do. In fact, it's one of our oldest wildcats: the 35-30/30. Bore out one of those Mossberg abominations, thread it for a can, and Ninja Cowboy Tactikewl awaits.

.35 Remington is better in every way.

I took a brass x39 case and opened up the neck, then stuffed a 124 grn 9mm bullet in it. It looks pretty cool, and would cycle out of an ak mag into my sks until the neck hit the shoulder, so as a wildcat it would work fine if you want to rebarrel something. Dies would be pretty easy to modify a 9mm die into a neck sizer and body size with the bottom of a x39 sizing die, just bore out the neck area. Custom dies and reamers could be made easily as well.

The real reason we don't have it here is that it is really rare even in russia. It was never a mainstream cartridge, and the weapons that use it were special forces black bag weapons. And the real Russian 9x39 is actually 9.3, as in the same bore as the makarov, so good bullets for it don't exist in the states. So wildcatting a 9x39 is your best bet...

Gordon said:

.35 Remington is better in every way.

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Except if you want it suppressed and semi auto. Then it’s worse in every way.

Jessesky said:

Yeah but we want to be ninja Comrades with our Ak variants. Ballistically there’s a ton of other options, but none come with that CCCP pizazz

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Would be perfect in an AK but I would like it in an AR15 pistol to go with my 9mm suppressor.

someguy2800 said:

Would be perfect in an AK but I would like it in an AR15 pistol to go with my 9mm suppressor.

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The better ar 9mm is 357 max rimless. It is just straight wall 223 brass with a 9mm bullet. Supposedly feeds like butter but it head spaces on the case mouth cause no shoulder like a smaller 450 bushmaster

someguy2800 said:

Except if you want it suppressed and semi auto. Then it’s worse in every way.

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The .35 Remington case head is very close to the 39mm Russian case head in size , would easily fit in an AK, and you can run 300 grain bullets with the right twist subsonics. I knew a guy with a .35 Rem 16" Contender carbine with an integral suppressor who did just that , it was a poacher's pet thats for sure

Gordon said:

The .35 Remington case head is very close to the 39mm Russian case head in size , would easily fit in an AK, and you can run 300 grain bullets with the right twist subsonics. I new a guy with a .35 Rem 16" Contender carbine with an integral suppressor who did just that , it was a poacher's pet thats for sure

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Sure sounds like a cool toy though....

Wolf started importing 9x39 this year, I remember the shot show announcement, here's some in stock at SGA:

https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/9x39-wolf-ammo

I believe they were going to start importing AR uppers so chambered, but I don't know if they are here yet or not.

Well that will be awesome if Wolf gets it off the ground. But they aren’t going to do it with $1.20/round steel cased ammo, got to get the prices down.

That would be a sweet suppressed hunting platform., even if only a reloader venture.

Gordon said:

The .35 Remington case head is very close to the 39mm Russian case head in size , would easily fit in an AK, and you can run 300 grain bullets with the right twist subsonics. I knew a guy with a .35 Rem 16" Contender carbine with an integral suppressor who did just that , it was a poacher's pet thats for sure

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And have a single shot AK? It’s not going to fit in the magazine of anything but an AR10

new rounds do not get much commercial success unless they're adopted by the reloaders first. A reloader can go out and buy a 6.5CM, and if it fails in the market, who cares, bullets, and brass are available, long after the industry stops making it -ultra successful. Russian rounds use unusual bullet diameters that will not be widely available if the industry drops it. If you look at the rounds that are designed to be easy to case form/reload like the .300 BO, versus those that are designed to be as difficult as possible like the .357Sig, you see these patterns. Few people want to go buy a rifle that ammo may not be available for in 3 years.

adcoch1 said:

The better ar 9mm is 357 max rimless. It is just straight wall 223 brass with a 9mm bullet. Supposedly feeds like butter but it head spaces on the case mouth cause no shoulder like a smaller 450 bushmaster

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That’s a good idea, I’ll have to give that some thought. I already have a 357 maximum contender.

It is starting to make a showing in this country with Wolf importing ammo. I believe one of the major AK manufactures is offering an AK in the chambering.

You have to understand it is a specialized, niche cartridge that never achieved a lot of popularity in its country of origin. Basically, the Czecks were allowed to keep their VZ58 if they allowed the Soviets to use the design and chambered it in the Warsaw standard 7.62x39. The Soviets took the VZ58, modified it into an integrally suppressed sniper rifle firing a cartridge designed from the ground up for subsonic use with a suppressor, the 9x39. So they beat the US to this market decades before the invention of the .300 Whisper/Blackout, but never marketed it as a "do all" cartridge. They use it for a specific role, that role is rather clandestine, so most people aren't even aware of the cartridge.

Jessesky said:

I know the answer is most likely that it’s not a majorly adopted military cartridge and not imported. From a commercial standpoint, why don’t we have 9x39? It seems awesome!

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Because we have .300Whisper/.300ACC?

paulsj said:

Because we have .300Whisper/.300ACC?

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I like the idea of a .356 caliber suppressed bullet design with common expanding bullets to use better than one that is .308 caliber with rifle bullets to choose from. It always seems to me a wider frontal area for a cartridge designed for suppressed applications is going to win the day. We aren't trying for high velocity induced penetration, but greater wound profiles and larger holes. Personally, I think a .45 cal subgun would run circles around a 300 BLK in a suppressed application.

Give me a 9x39 with a heavy Hornady XTP suppressed anyday over a 220 gr. 300 BLK suppressed.

But then again I'll be honest that I'm not all that impressed with the 300 BLK, had one before and it wasn't for me, just wanted to be up front with my bias. I always felt it was a compromise on both applications supersonic and suppressed. Meaning it does both ok but that’s about it (suppressed it could and is starting to get there with bullet technology).

adcoch1 said:

The better ar 9mm is 357 max rimless. It is just straight wall 223 brass with a 9mm bullet. Supposedly feeds like butter but it head spaces on the case mouth cause no shoulder like a smaller 450 bushmaster

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This sounds like something I would be interested in. I've been out of the game for a long time though so I'm no longer "with it" as far as caliber development goes. Are there AR uppers chambered for this round? Semi-auto pistols (real pistols, not AR pistols).

I have long wanted a "rimless .357 magnum) with cases made out of cut down .223 brass that would allow me to basically use the same powder and bullets as my .357/.38 wheel guns, but in an auto action. This sounds very close.