AMA to court: Illegal firearm sales are public health emergency

Illegal gun sales? Who is selling illegal guns?
Address why the BATFE fails to prosecute prohibited persons that illegally possess firearms?

Sounds like the AMA committed perjury.

I think this has a thread in legal ... or activism?

The people seeking out illegal firearms, and pulling the trigger have no responibility. Typical.

The DEA needs to crack down on their prescribing priviledges with respct to opoids in order to save lives. It's a disaster.

paulsj said:

The DEA needs to crack down on their prescribing priviledges with respct to opoids in order to save lives. It's a disaster.

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The latest on that, a doctor in Ohio ordered fatal doses of fentanyl for 28 hospital patients, killing them. This was not humoring addicts or assisting in suicide, these were people who came to the hospital to be healed:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...people-potentially-fatal-doses-opioid-n962516

Tommygunn said:

I think this has a thread in legal ... or activism?

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I just looked in both and don't see any titles that look like this issue, can you please provide a link or tell us the section and thread name?

Dr "Bud" needs to clean up his "back yard" first.

Poor journalism intersecting with poor public policy.

What are we to suppose is illegal, the sales, or the arms, or the sellers or the buyers.

18 USC 922 addresses who Prohibited Persons are. And what is required to be a Dealer in firearms (and, by extension, just a person increasing or decreasing a collection of arms). AL, for all its warts, is nothing but a FTF with a web interface. Federal and State laws govern what is due diligence. Which needs to be more practiced by the public policy mouthpieces for medical organizations..

Once again, the AMA wants to draw attention away from the FACT that YOUR DOCTOR is 9000
times more likely to kill you than a gun. And everybody has at least one doctor...

If they want to point fingers, they should be pointing them at themselves rather than gun owners.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer. A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

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I just looked in both and don't see any titles that look like this issue, can you please provide a link or tell us the section and thread name?

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Sorry, been off the net today.

I believe I may have been wrong on this, mistaking, or mis- "remembering" a different but similar themed thread in legal.

The AMA is more anti gun than the left, period.

That's all that's ever needed to be said about that organisation.

The AMA should worry about the dog poop in their own back yard. You don't hear US screaming about
taking away people's medical treatment options, because of Quacks and careless medical staff.

My, my, boys and girls.

1. I have not belonged to the AMA for many years in large part because of their antigun agenda.

2. In case most of you missed it, there HAS been a big crackdown on casual opiate prescribing. I am happy to report that I have never been part of that problem.

3. For those who believe a country without a good healthcare system; i.e., without doctors killing patients, I recommend you live for awhile in a place like Mexico where there aren't so many options. And for those who think doctors "should worry about their own backyard," it must come as a GREAT suprise to you that most of them do. More than one state has mandated biannual continuing medical education to combat medical errors.

4. For those of you who are uninformed, here is how the "opiate crisis" started. Some idiots decided that pain should be "the fifth vital sign." Some other idiots decided that "patient satisfaction" was very important so if patient satisfaction scores were low they wouldn't have to pay hospitals as much. Physicians were then under pressure from administration to give good patient satisfaction so physicians started prescribing opiates for every bruise and sprain. It also takes two or three times as long dealing with a patient after drugs. If you just gave it to them, you could be out of the room a lot faster than explaining why you weren't going to. Then there is the extensive documentation to combat the accusation that you were rude or inhumane in not giving the patient the drug they wanted.

5. Until you get to heaven, if you ever get there, there will ALWAYS be some bad doctors. As for the Ohio doctor who allegedly decided to euthanize patients; he is in VERY big trouble. Maybe pick a doctor who is more interested in doing the right thing rather than one with the best patient satisfaction? Until the opiate crackdown, which has doctors running scared, in every medium sized communite I've been familiar with, there have always been one or two doctors that have been referred to as "the candy man."

6. Finally, catch a clue. If you don't wish to see doctors or be in a hospital take care of yourselves. Most people are killing THEMSELVES by their bad habits. Do any of you smoke? And yes, I know, the stupid people in the AMA at one time carried cigarette ads which brings to mind 1 Timothy 6:10 - "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." The people I hang with NEVER thought smoking was OK despite "doctor recommended" cigarette brands in the 1950s. Do ANY of you imbibe booze? How about Proverbs 20:1 - "Wine is a mocker, strong dring is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." And finally the pet habit of most people; i.e., the tasty flesh food. If it wasn't for the animal protein consumed in this country there would be MUCH fewer cases of disease like obesity, diabetes, various types of cancer, hypertension, dementia, etc. I am not antihunting, by the way and have and would still prepare fish for the carnivorous sort. I am not your police or your conscience but it is my responsibility to tell you how it is.

So, now you know how to avoid doctors and hospitals.

And I almost forgot. With a healthy lifestyle you wouldn't have to take many of those other potentially toxic medications that run up millions of dollars in medical costs every year.

First off I think this "bud" is an idiot who has no idea what he is talking about. Just like the idiots on our side of some arguments...no more no less. I've never used armslist but have used local classifieds.

However.....Seems to be a lot of animosity toward Drs. Just because some are antigun. Or anti ftf sales ot whatever. You may be more likely to be killed by your Dr. But your also far more likely to be saved by them than our guns too. You likely already were at some point, either through immunization or some other means. And if not I guarantee you that at some point you will be thankful for one someday Spouting out such crap is just as irresponsible as the leftist media (or right occasionally) spinning facts out of context to suit themselves and their narrative... shame on you. I'd venture to guess that 95% of Americans will be/have been saved by the Drs they love to hate.

And then because they say that illegal gun sales are a threat (which in this case he is talking about the venue rather than the individual seller who may actually break the law) that they are relieving the responsibility from the bad guys pulling the trigger/ but you turn around and say that they are responsible for the opioid crisis, effectively taking the responsibility away from the drug dealers and junkies who abuse them?......again shame on you. In my factory I have 400+ employees. I could fire a minimum of 100 (maybe 200) with one drug test. They aren't getting their pills/crank etc from a Dr. Most were junkies since high school. A Dr didnt cause it. They choose it, I have loved ones who choose it as well. Its sad but it's a personal choice. I have been given scripts for many pills. (Being an athlete and occasional dummy and having broken 30 or so bones) I took what I had too and flushed the rest. DRs aren't the cause anymore than the gun store is the cause of the nutjobs shooting people. I have friends who are Drs. I dont envy them.
If a licensed dr giving someone (who is not exempted in any way) who claims to be in pain a medication is responsible for his bad choices, then how is a licensed gun dealer giving someone also not exepted a gun any less responsible? No-one sees a parallel at all? Sure there are likely some who enable known addicts, but there are stories about people doing the same with guns.

You guys talk about running 2 minutes and shooting under stress, or the stress from being involved in an SD scenario...... try going to college for 10 years, giving the public the best 10 years of your life and then dealing with the stress of taking multiple lives into your hands every day, only to be hated by everyone until they need you next time. Every time that paper hits a RX pad (even for ibuprofren/warfarin/anti-biotics, etc) there could be a side effect to kill Mom/ Dad/Son/Daughter. Every time you miss or misdiagnose (usually because a patient left things out) it could cause death. Litigation (which pales in comparison to the hindsight of what you could have done different) etc Every time you pick up a scalpel.....etc. how great would your life be with that over you 24/7. I personally gave that future paycheck up selfishly choosing my own mental health over those I may have helped over a career in medicine. I'm thankful others aren't so selfish as I was.

Smoking and heavy drinking I'll agree with as terrible. As well as being over weight. But the healthiest people I know drink whey and eat plenty of animal protein. If you're obese it isnt from protein. as an avid lifter and trainer I know It's from carbs/fat. Calories in/calories out. Keep your weight right, exercise and keep your body fat down. That would save most people their trouble. The old folks around here in the south always said "gravy sent many a good man to hell"
Now its chips, soda, pizza, and dessert but still applicable

I also won't try to take away people's soda, potato chips, etc., even if they're obese.

The governments that take away people's rights to have guns and defend themselves are a short step from enacting even more oppressive measures.

Grumulkin, One of my favorite Bible verses is Matthew 7:5. "Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye." I've been blessed with many good, caring doctors who helped me and my family members and to whom I'll always be grateful. I've also had the experiences of unqualified doctors killing my father, nearly killing my ex wife twice (both times after she delivered our sons), my mother once and they botched a simple procedure last April from which I have yet to recover and may never will, completely. None of these were caused by us not taking care of ourselves. When you've had the experiences I've had and you see the AMA inserting themselves into 2A issues on which they are completely wrong, it's okay to point out that they should concentrate on reducing the number of deaths their doctors cause.

I don’t blame doctors so much for some of the BS the AMA comes out with. I blame bureaucrats that think they are doctors that think they speak for all doctors.

Because of doctors and nurses I am alive today. I know the AMA does not speak for all doctors, but many idiot politicians think they do.