I'm just not convinced that I should scrap my Marlin 45-70 for anything in 450 Bushmaster. What's all the hullabaloo? What, in reality, can it do my Marlin can't?
That's a truly amazing record with black powder, I'd be lucky to hit paper. Having shot the 458 Win Mag I'd pass on that at my age. Sir, would your conclusion be the 450 Bushmaster is just another AR marketing ploy in a round that won't stand the test of time?Feed in an AR15, and that's about it. The 45/70 is an outstanding cartridge, because of its trajectory it is short range, but it can be reloaded to outstanding accuracy. A bud of mine set a 300 yard Blackpowder record with a ten shot group under 3 inches. That is amazing.
In a strong action, like a bolt gun or a single shot, the 45/70 can be reloaded to 50,000+ psia and then it is at 458 Win Mag levels. One real stomper at both ends of the weapon.
The American's love of the AR15 has resulted shoe horning all sorts of cartridges in the Matty Mattel rifle, and yet the overall length limits of the action, and the pressure limits of the locking mechanism, have always resulted in tepid cartridges. I mean the big, big, big, next step are 6.8 cartridges that are just at 30-30 performance levels.
I just ordered two Ruger American Ranch rifles, one in 7.62 X 39 and one in 5.56 and noticed they made them in 450 Bushmaster and also "350 Legend" (what the heck?) That's what got me looking at the Bushmaster. Ya gotta fiddle around at the loading bench to get "performance approaching 45-70", with in itself isn't a bad thing, but the 45-70 and "fiddling around" gives you so much more. As for the 350 Legend, guess if you want a "sausage" round for your AR that's the one or if you live in Michigan or Ohio and want to take advantage of the new laws for deer season and not use a shotgun. Thanks for the reply.Likely nothing the 45-70 can't do and I would keep it especially if you like a lever gun. The Bushmaster is nice if you're an AR person or want a bolt gun at a reasonable price.
My wife would kick my butt if I was shooting a semiauto 45-70. She thinks I spend too much reloading for the MarlinThe only thing that a 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM and 50 Beowulf bring to the table is the ability to give similar ballistics to the 45/70 out of an AR-15 action. That alone, is pretty impressive. If you are happy with your lever action, there’s no need to buy another rifle. Your 45/70 actually does everything better than the 450 Bushmaster as far as the cartridges are concerned. Some people just prefer semiautos and I don’t know of a semiauto 45/70.
What, in reality, can it do my Marlin can't?
That's a truly amazing record with black powder, I'd be lucky to hit paper. Having shot the 458 Win Mag I'd pass on that at my age. Sir, would your conclusion be the 450 Bushmaster is just another AR marketing ploy in a round that won't stand the test of time?
You need to find a Siamese mauser like mine. It my favorite 45/70 I have owned, a nice single shot is nice to. I have loaded some stupid hot loads but found there's not much need with the 458s.A rimmed .45-70 is hard to make feed from a vertical magazine no mater the platform.
I happen to like bolt guns, so am actually more likely to end up with a bushy, or Socom than a .45-70
Yeah, THERES a .45-70 i want some one else to own.....so i can shoot it.....Thats right up there with a belt fed .458 Socom in terms of stupid funThe answer to both of the above:
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There was one here i tried to buy, guy wouldnt sell it......Thought about building one from one of those random actions that shows up on GB from time to time, but its just too priceyYou need to find a Siamese mauser like mine. It my favorite 45/70 I have owned, a nice single shot is nice to. I have loaded some stupid hot loads but found there's not much need with the 458s.
I hope to find another action one day to build a sister rifle in a flatter shooting round for deer.
Be cheaper to do a p14 in 458 American or 458wm.There was one here i tried to buy, guy wouldnt sell it......Thought about building one from one of those random actions that shows up on GB from time to time, but its just too pricey
or a Ruger American, Savage, or any other nut gunBe cheaper to do a p14 in 458 American or 458wm.
I'm just not convinced that I should scrap my Marlin 45-70 for anything in 450 Bushmaster. What's all the hullabaloo? What, in reality, can it do my Marlin can't?
This pitiful whining is about a decade late. It’s here, it has been here. Don’t want one? Don’t buy one.