Home defense? Stock or pistol grip

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I have only read the OP and it instantly brought a question to mind ...

Have you ever fired a 12ga pistol-grip-only shotgun with full-power loads?

Just wondering. ;)

I think that there are a lot of folks who buy pistol-grip shotguns without having fired one and are :what: :eek: upon touching off that first shell.

Yes. Even shot magnums from mine. I guess i have iron worker arms and the recoil does not even phase me.
 
Yes. Even shot magnums from mine. I guess i have iron worker arms and the recoil does not even phase me.
That is very impressive. I would definitely say that you are in the minority, since most people are not up for the task. What I am saying is that if it works for you, go for it. But what works for you won't work across the board for every team member, and that is an important consideration when selecting standardized equipment that everyone on the team needs to know how to use with some proficiency.
 
The Department of Justice essentially created the PGO.


https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/the-witness-protection-shotgun-a-novel-concept/


You don't have to like them but they have a role.
I agree that for the role these things were adopted to fill in the 80's, and potentially even now, that they would probably do well being fired from a moving vehicle out of the window. Of course, if the vehicle has ballistic glass and other protection, I would resist the urge to crack the seal and return fire, since that agency's mission success criteria is getting the principle from point A to point B, versus being caught up in a decisive engagement along the way, especially if ballistic capabilities are doing just fine at protecting all of the occupants. That said, in a soft-skinned vehicle, shooting out of the window that has been opened either by an occupant or gunfire from either direction is definitely an option that should be exploited. And in the event that the vehicle becomes inoperable, and the team and principle are forced to dismount and fight their way to safety, at that point (which is a worst case scenario) I think I would like to have a stock on my shotgun. According to the internet, USMS are equipped with weapons that I think would be preferable to any shotgun, such as Colt and HK 9mm SMG's, as well as Car 15 and M16A2 rifles- any of which I would prefer over a scattergun that requires 2 hands to fire and cycle. Maybe these other weapons weren't available to USMS in the 80's, I couldn't say. But I know I have been in more than a few 2 way gunfights from various types of moving vehicles in various types of terrain, and even though a Benelli M4 full of 00 was present in every vehicle I rolled in, that gun was never used or even picked up once ordnance started getting exchanged. YMMV.
 
I agree that for the role these things were adopted to fill in the 80's, and potentially even now, that they would probably do well being fired from a moving vehicle out of the window. Of course, if the vehicle has ballistic glass and other protection, I would resist the urge to crack the seal and return fire, since that agency's mission success criteria is getting the principle from point A to point B, versus being caught up in a decisive engagement along the way, especially if ballistic capabilities are doing just fine at protecting all of the occupants. That said, in a soft-skinned vehicle, shooting out of the window that has been opened either by an occupant or gunfire from either direction is definitely an option that should be exploited. And in the event that the vehicle becomes inoperable, and the team and principle are forced to dismount and fight their way to safety, at that point (which is a worst case scenario) I think I would like to have a stock on my shotgun. According to the internet, USMS are equipped with weapons that I think would be preferable to any shotgun, such as Colt and HK 9mm SMG's, as well as Car 15 and M16A2 rifles- any of which I would prefer over a scattergun that requires 2 hands to fire and cycle. Maybe these other weapons weren't available to USMS in the 80's, I couldn't say. But I know I have been in more than a few 2 way gunfights from various types of moving vehicles in various types of terrain, and even though a Benelli M4 full of 00 was present in every vehicle I rolled in, that gun was never used or even picked up once ordnance started getting exchanged. YMMV.


I like the author's sentiment, "You don’t take Fallujah with a Witness Protection shotgun, and I wouldn’t even want to clear a house with it. It does serve a niche reactive role very well."
 
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