Has anyone here installed upgraded sights on a Colt type pistol?...

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A heavy rib with adjustable sights could be installed onto the barrel, and extended back over the cylinder ( I think that Elmer Keith suggested this in his book "Sixguns"). Or perhaps a pistol scope or red dot sight could be mounted onto the barrel.

I know this bucks tradition, but it certainly would make them far more shootable.

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Jeff Marshall
 
This was made for Navy Arms in 1970 (XXVI) from the factory (but I can't remember which one):

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Jim
That’s an Uberti... wouldn’t it be something if they discovered a bunch of frames and barrels hidden in storage somewhere? I’m an Uberti fanboy of course but that’s just a really cool adaptation of the pinnacle of percussion revolver development...
 
That’s an Uberti... wouldn’t it be something if they discovered a bunch of frames and barrels hidden in storage somewhere? I’m an Uberti fanboy of course but that’s just a really cool adaptation of the pinnacle of percussion revolver development...

I agree! That is the only one I have ever seen even remotely like it. I just happened to grab those photos and save them.

Jim
 
I agree! That is the only one I have ever seen even remotely like it. I just happened to grab those photos and save them.

Jim
I’ve got a spare 1860... might have to hand it off to the local smith and see if he could duplicate it sans the ears and bolt at the frame. I wouldn’t even need fully adjustable sights. A dovetail front that could be filed down for elevation...
 
I’ve got a spare 1860... might have to hand it off to the local smith and see if he could duplicate it sans the ears and bolt at the frame. I wouldn’t even need fully adjustable sights. A dovetail front that could be filed down for elevation...

Aahh, great minds think alike. I was thinking the same because the rib would be a solid flat plane, would not need to be fastened at the top rear of the frame, just judiciously fastened to top of the barrel using two screws. Perhaps a suitable length of a shotgun barrel rib would work. Dating myself, but a Simmons Broadway rib comes to mind. Or, something like this:

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/525550

Jim
 
Duh! I spent a couple hours looking at revolver ribs, should have known numrich would have what I need! Well, here we go!
 
@Hoof Hearted !! What say you? How would you proceed here? Screwed to the tube, soldered or welded? Attached at the rear similarly to the pictured revolver or just stop the rib short of the frame?
 
@Hoof Hearted !! What say you? How would you proceed here? Screwed to the tube, soldered or welded? Attached at the rear similarly to the pictured revolver or just stop the rib short of the frame?
Well, of course, how to mount it would depend on how well it fits the barrel....
If it is a real good fit then a couple of blind screws, finely threaded, should suffice. 720 threadlocker is nice for fine gaps and an epoxy type adhesive for larger gaps. If you have gaps there is a chance it will shear the screws.
 
Well, of course, how to mount it would depend on how well it fits the barrel....
If it is a real good fit then a couple of blind screws, finely threaded, should suffice. 720 threadlocker is nice for fine gaps and an epoxy type adhesive for larger gaps. If you have gaps there is a chance it will shear the screws.
I’m waiting on the rib and I will get back to you when I see it... btw, one of my 1860’s has visible dimples in the bottom of the bore exactly over the loading lever holes, obviously someone was overzealous that day, have you seen those in other Replicas?

BTW @expat_alaska , the rib is inbound, should be plenty there for several revolvers so if you will pm me your address I’ll send some on to you for your own project.
 
That's an interesting project.

If I were to do something similar I'd plan on doing it with the rear lugs and screw. The upside of a well fitted attachment point at the rear like that is that it would do some extra to stabilize the cylinder gap and to lock the barrel to the frame.

The shooter would have to be a pretty good shot to make adding the sight rib worthwhile. I found that my own open top guns with some minor shimming of the hammer (in one case) along with a new taller front sight and opening up the rear hammer notch was already as accurate in my hands as one of my nicer Smith and Wesson modern revolvers which makes me look good. Now I'm not someone that will give anyone a serious run for their money in formal accuracy competitions. But I can hold my own among casual groups of shooters for accuracy. And I would not gain anything by doing this manner of modification.
 
That's an interesting project.

If I were to do something similar I'd plan on doing it with the rear lugs and screw. The upside of a well fitted attachment point at the rear like that is that it would do some extra to stabilize the cylinder gap and to lock the barrel to the frame.

The shooter would have to be a pretty good shot to make adding the sight rib worthwhile. I found that my own open top guns with some minor shimming of the hammer (in one case) along with a new taller front sight and opening up the rear hammer notch was already as accurate in my hands as one of my nicer Smith and Wesson modern revolvers which makes me look good. Now I'm not someone that will give anyone a serious run for their money in formal accuracy competitions. But I can hold my own among casual groups of shooters for accuracy. And I would not gain anything by doing this manner of modification.
Good points. For me it’s an interesting project for one. And I do think there are other advantages to the sights. I am a fair to middling good shot. I agree that the Colts are as accurate as any of the other cap and ball revolvers but the sights are small, tiny in fact and while it wasn’t an issue when I started shooting them, it surely is today 50 years on... I can hit nearly as well as I did back then but it takes more time, and if the light isn’t right it’s really tough. With such a sight rib I could use a larger notch and post. Something closer to the sights on a modern defensive pistol. I think I will like that a lot!
 
I have seen pictures of a open top that had a sight dovetailed into the barrel at the back and a target front sight. Supposedly an original. Nice looking set up.

IronHand
 
Have seen "confederate" copies of Colt open tops in pictures with dovetailed sights like ironhand54 described.

of course the stocked model of the Dragoon had a set of folding leaves on the barrel, I believe one fixed and two progressively taller folding leaves.

I considered taking an "extra" 10/22 rear sight which has its little "loosen the screws and adjust" folding leaf I considered putting on the barrel of a Brasser with a new drift adjustable front sight just to be doing it.

Given the way some of the old Bar-sto rails had the front sight out beyond the end of your 1911 you may not need the ears like on the Uberti, just let the rears hang there.

-kBob
 
I’m waiting on the rib and I will get back to you when I see it... btw, one of my 1860’s has visible dimples in the bottom of the bore exactly over the loading lever holes, obviously someone was overzealous that day, have you seen those in other Replicas?

BTW @expat_alaska , the rib is inbound, should be plenty there for several revolvers so if you will pm me your address I’ll send some on to you for your own project.
Doesn’t surprise me! Nothing does anymore from Italy....
 
the two proofs on the cylinder are Italian and the roman numerals are the way the Italians marked dates.

do Italian guns sold in Belgium need Belgian proofs or did they at some point? No idea what the marks other than the roman numerals on the right side are...

-kBob
 
Thanks guys for the pictures and comments. What I had in mind was an octagon barrel like a 1851 with a rib the same width as the top flat. Maybe with a Smith and Wesson revolver sight at the rear.

If you would like to look at some ready made pistol ribs see wichitaarms.com , aristocratproducts.com , and bomar.
 
I’m waiting on the rib and I will get back to you when I see it... btw, one of my 1860’s has visible dimples in the bottom of the bore exactly over the loading lever holes, obviously someone was overzealous that day, have you seen those in other Replicas?

BTW @expat_alaska , the rib is inbound, should be plenty there for several revolvers so if you will pm me your address I’ll send some on to you for your own project.
Woodnbow, just saw your comment about the " dimples "in the bottom of the bore directly over the loading lever holes. I have seen evidence of this in more than a few 60 Armies. I'm referring to brand new, unfired guns as well. Some were barely visible and you had to look down the bore to catch the light just right and the " dimples " showed up as almost shadows, but were definately discernible and always in that same location. In the new guns I chalked that up to the manufacturing process, but don't know for sure. As a matter of interest, I have not seen any evidence of these "dimples" in 61 Navies which have the same type of loading lever. Could be the barrel is thicker in this area since a smaller caliber? Interesting observation that I've not seen anyone mention before.
 
I think you’ve got it. I used to own a cabinet and furniture shop, and I’ve noticed that after staining panels or stiles would sometimes show a “ghost” of a joiners biscuit or dowel if it was too close to the finished surface. In the case of the dimples here, I suspect the drills are stopping a few thousandths short of popping through and interior surface of the bore shows the ghosts after a few shots. The gun in question has been fired tens of thousands of times and it’s maintained its accuracy over more than 50 years. It bugs me just slightly, but like many niggling little things, falls under the category of “small stuff”... I try not to sweat.
 
BTW, one of my 1860’s has visible dimples in the bottom of the bore exactly over the loading lever holes, obviously someone was overzealous that day, have you seen those in other Replicas?

Woodnbow, just saw your comment about the " dimples "in the bottom of the bore directly over the loading lever holes. I have seen evidence of this in more than a few 60 Armies. I'm referring to brand new, unfired guns as well. Some were barely visible and you had to look down the bore to catch the light just right and the " dimples " showed up as almost shadows, but were definately discernible and always in that same location. In the new guns I chalked that up to the manufacturing process, but don't know for sure. As a matter of interest, I have not seen any evidence of these "dimples" in 61 Navies which have the same type of loading lever. Could be the barrel is thicker in this area since a smaller caliber? Interesting observation that I've not seen anyone mention before.

There are several books I still want to obtain, but yesterday I received my "newest" book, "Civil War Guns" (William B. Edwards, 1962). Last night I happened to come across this which pertains to this discussion (pp. 318-319):

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I have always liked the 1851 type load lever rather than the 1860/1861 "creeping" load lever as I have always felt that one of the "teeth" could break off at some point during operation of it.

Regards,

Jim
 
There are several books I still want to obtain, but yesterday I received my "newest" book, "Civil War Guns" (William B. Edwards, 1962). Last night I happened to come across this which pertains to this discussion (pp. 318-319):

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I have always liked the 1851 type load lever rather than the 1860/1861 "creeping" load lever as I have always felt that one of the "teeth" could break off at some point during operation of it.

Regards,

Jim
I’ve given them a workout with .456-7 round ball and conical bullets. No problem so far Jim!
 
There are several books I still want to obtain, but yesterday I received my "newest" book, "Civil War Guns" (William B. Edwards, 1962). Last night I happened to come across this which pertains to this discussion (pp. 318-319):

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I have always liked the 1851 type load lever rather than the 1860/1861 "creeping" load lever as I have always felt that one of the "teeth" could break off at some point during operation of it.

Regards,

Jim
Thanks, Expat Alaska. As mentioned, I have noticed this condition for many years and wondered why it never was discussed in regard to 60 Armies. The information from William B Edwards book can finally answer my question!:) Much Appreciated!
 
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