Case Bulges From An Unsupported Chamber...In 45 ACP??

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I've seen quite a few bulged cases from Glock's early unsupported barrels in 40 S&W/10mm.

But these pieces of range brass are the first bulged cases that I've seen in 45 ACP. 45 ACP, of course, is supposed to be a lower pressure round. I would guess that these rounds were at or above the SAMMI spec, in addition to being fired in a relatively unsupported barrel.

What do they look like to you? Any guess as to the gun that fired them?



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I take it that the pic on the right is of the cases on the opposite side of the bulges. Yeah, I've seen those lines, but typically on rifle brass. I've never seen it on pistol brass. That brass is worn out from being sized. Many or all .45 chambers are unsupported. It's a low pressure round and don't need it. Whomever shot those rounds, it looks like hot loads and worn out brass. Kinda weird. Pistol brass usually splits before this happens. Whatever the case, the person shooting those was luck. Real close to a case failure.
 
Something belonging to an idiot who wallowed out the "feed" ramp? And over loaded.

And a 1911 with a poorly done breech face judging by the marks on the case head.

What about a Sub MG like a Thompson? How's their support, and what do they do to brass?......but either way there's a pressure problem.
 
And a 1911 with a poorly done breech face judging by the marks on the case head.

Walkalong, I own a 1911, but don't know a lot about them. What marks on the case heads tell you this? The impressions close to the tangent of each case head?

Examining those marks, two of the cases have these marks above the bulge. But the Winchester case that only has one tangential line is opposite the bulge...
 
The chambers on my .45's are fully supported, the feed ramp ends at the web, much of my military brass has the line across the edge. I've heard rumors that such a mark is from a tommy gun. BTW that brass is not worn out just ruined, I've got brass that I've reloaded so many times you can hardly read the headstamp on it.
 
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What marks on the case heads tell you this?

See the light lines on the breech face I pointed to with arrows? If it isn't done right the small thin area next to the slide will be higher than that in the center of the breech face on the other side of the line. That uneven surface will mark case heads just like the ones in your pics. I had to fix this Kimber (By hand, very tedious). You can still see the original machining "line", but it is 99% flat now.
CDP II Ultra Breechface After - Both Pics A.JPG

The pic on the left will sometimes play with your eyes and look inverted until you "see" it correctly.
 
45 ACP loads fired in a 45 GAP chamber perhaps?

I can't imagine any gun being able to fire with it that far out of battery. The slide would stop long before the round could ever slide up the breech face, because a 45 auto round would not allow the barrel to ever come close to entering the breech cutout.
 
See the light lines on the breech face I pointed to with arrows? If it isn't done right the small thin area next to the slide will be higher than that in the center of the breech face on the other side of the line. That uneven surface will mark case heads just like the ones in your pics. I had to fix this Kimber (By hand, very tedious). You can still see the original machining "line", but it is 99% flat now.

Walkalong is correct. That line/stamp is commonly seen on a variety of calibers fired in guns with the machining imperfection.
 
A bud of mine shot high pressure 45 ACP loads and experienced case head swelling similar to the picture. Someone loaded and fired in a 1911 high pressure loads that almost blew out the sidewall. That person is very lucky because if the sidewall had blown, the magazine would have been blown out, the grips might have shattered/or cracked, and hurt his hand. I am a strong proponent of those rubber and steel mesh grips that are very strong and protect the hand from an over pressure event.

And there are people who believe that actions are weak and the case is strong.
 
See the light lines on the breech face I pointed to with arrows? If it isn't done right the small thin area next to the slide will be higher than that in the center of the breech face on the other side of the line. That uneven surface will mark case heads just like the ones in your pics.

I just pulled my Clackamas Kimber Custom Classic out of the safe...sure enough, that area is very, very slightly raised. Nothing close to enough to cause the marks that appear in post 3. I'll have to shoot my gun with some new brass to see how proud that surface is.

Also, I had never heard of 45 Super before.

Thanks for teaching me today!
 
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