Siderlock Safety for Glock

el Godfather said:

Hi
I was looking at a friend’s Glock who has a siderlock safety installed. I couldn’t hold back and told him that how I did not like it at all. My reasoning was simple. Glock triggers are pretty safe to be carried loaded. Not only this contraption increases one more thing to remember in a stressful situation, but it has all the potential to add the confusion.

Any of you guys use it? If so whats the big idea behind it?

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I don’t like safeties on guns either. That said people who train with safeties have no problem with them. 1911 carriers do fine. My muscle memory would have no problem with a single action revolver in a stressful situation. (No I don’t carry one as my normal edc) Hope I never have to find out.

Single Action Only for my bottom-feeders please. I want a safety on my pistol, but I want a good trigger to go on it. A heavy double action trigger pull makes a double action revolver or DA/SA pistol safer, but gives you a pretty lousy trigger (at least for the first shot on a DA/SA auto). If I want a striker fired gun with a fancy safe trigger (my carry gun is a S&W Shield, so I do use these) I don't want an external safety as then it only becomes unnecessary. If there's a benefit to it (like the capability of carrying an excellent trigger safely) I'd like the safety, but if it is unnecessary (like with a DA trigger pull, or a Glock/S&W trigger) I don't want the extra levers and controls.

Solution in search of a problem. With proper trigger discipline, most safeties are pretty much useless. Caveat is on single action firearms, I definitely prefer them. As far as Glock safeties go, at least it isn't a SAF-T-Block. A little gizmo you wedge in behind the trigger that you push out before firing.

https://firearms-safety.com/products_saftblock.html

The safety arguments have almost always been misinformative, and pretty much a joke. Once the gun is in the hand, all the safeties should be "off" and the gun ready to shoot. If they arent, why arent they?

DA triggers seem to only be a challenge for those who dont have the experience and muscle tone to shoot them well (none of which is a fault of the guns), and its usually the SA shooters that complain the loudest. Spend a little time shooting one, and Im willing to bet, your shooting improves, and thats across everything you shoot, not just a handgun.

If youre the least bit reasonable in your gun knowledge/handling, most anything is reasonably safe, and no matter how you carry it.

I carried Colt GM's and Commanders on a daily basis for decades, and used to find that the thumb safety had been knocked off during the course of the day, and it never once went off in the holster. So much for relying on that safety. I also had a couple of 1911's that came directly from the factory, with a grip safety that was inoperable. If you're planning on counting on them, you'd best be checking/vetting them regularly.

Ive been carrying a Glock the same exact way as my 1911's for over a decade now, with the same result. Have yet to have one go off by itself.

After being told so many times that a Glock "had" to be in a holster or it would just start going off at every step, I carried a second (empty) 17 around the house and yard for about a year and a half, just stuffed in my pants, pockets, carried around, picked up off the table "by" the trigger, etc, doing things I normally wouldnt, but still wanted to see, and never once had the trigger drop, unless I consciously and intentionally pulled it.

For the past decade or so of summers, Ive carried a Glock 26, fully loaded in a Smart Carry at work on a daily basis, in an active and physical construction industry, and never once had an issue with the gun going off.

Maybe if people actually made the effort to become familiar with the different types and systems of handguns (and actually, all firearms in general), there would be a lot less of this sort of thing, as they gained some actual experience, and actually know what they were talking about. So much of what you hear is obviously a lack of that.

Counter intuitive for a gun designed to be intuitive.

If somebody is carrying and practicing with one gun with a safety they’ll be fine. Where people run into trouble is when they have different guns with triggers that work differently, some of which have safeties and some don’t.

When they need that pistol RIGHT NOW they forget to take the safety off and lose whatever advantage they had.

Personally I’m really liking the HK LEM trigger setup. I get a long, deliberate, light trigger pull that has a short reset. And it’s the same trigger pull from the first round to the last. You can set up the HK with a safety to go along with the LEM but I’ve chosen not to.

BSW

Doesn’t much matter what you or anybody else thinks as long as he is happy with it.

My Glocks are stock, but I tend to rely on DA/SA for my “serious social” guns.

I see a use for a glock manual safety for for those equipped with a brace.

el Godfather said:

Hi
I was looking at a friend’s Glock who has a siderlock safety installed. I couldn’t hold back and told him that how I did not like it at all. My reasoning was simple. Glock triggers are pretty safe to be carried loaded. Not only this contraption increases one more thing to remember in a stressful situation, but it has all the potential to add the confusion.

Any of you guys use it? If so whats the big idea behind it?

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ANY striker is safe to carry with one in the chamber. DON'T have triggered pulled when ya don't want it to. Glock triggers and many other striker triggers are VERY safe to be carried loaded, condition 0

FFGCOLORADO said:

ANY striker is safe to carry with one in the chamber. DON'T have triggered pulled when ya don't want it to. Glock triggers and many other striker triggers are VERY safe to be carried loaded, condition 0

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Topic of how glocks discharging while being holstered has been much discussed here. That is why I use the tau device. It does not need to be disengaged to fire the gun. But it can be used to make sure the trigger is not being snagged/pulled by like a shirt tail when holstering. Still not idiot proof, but what is.
Striker Control Device – Tau

If you want to spend your money on one of the aftermarket Glock safety devices, it’s your choice. I say more power to you.

I won’t. Like the SigSAUER p-220 series and my Smith, Taurus, Ruger and Colt revolvers; I find the design of the Glock to be plenty-safe as-is. I’ve been carrying one daily for the past 14.5 years, and have overseen the issuing and qualifications for 50+ others for over 13 years. With even the most apathetic and indifferent gun-toters we have, there hasn’t been one Glock we have issued fire without a finger pulling the trigger. Only one of those was into the clearing barrel prior to a cleaning. This was about ten years ago as folks were BS’ing after a training session. Guy forgot the basic rules and didn’t confirm the gun was unloaded before pulling the trigger to disassemble.

Stay safe.

Riomouse911 said:

This was about ten years ago as folks were BS’ing after a training session. Guy forgot the basic rules and didn’t confirm the gun was unloaded before pulling the trigger to disassemble.

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The main reason I am a bit rude with people who want to chatterbox while I am wrapping up and putting things away. I don’t want to be “that guy”.

Nothing rude about that, it’s easy to get distracted. Distractions and handling guns, reloading, driving, etc. are always a bad combo even if you get away with it. Sooner or later that shark will bite... and bite hard!

Stay safe.

barnetmill said:

Topic of how glocks discharging while being holstered has been much discussed here. That is why I use the tau device. It does not need to be disengaged to fire the gun. But it can be used to make sure the trigger is not being snagged/pulled by like a shirt tail when holstering. Still not idiot proof, but what is.
Striker Control Device – Tau
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The next time I get a Glock, I think I will buy one of these....

I am a DA/SA guy. And, when I reholster a Glock/striker fired gun... I sometimes get a bit nervous. I don't have that issue with a DA/SA gun. So, I like this device.

Shipwreck said:

The next time I get a Glock, I think I will buy one of these....

I am a DA/SA guy. And, when I reholster a Glock/striker fired gun... I sometimes get a bit nervous. I don't have that issue with a DA/SA gun. So, I like this device.

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Yeah I have no issue holstering a Glock or other no safety stiker-fired gun in a rigid/kydex OWB holster, but for an IWB holster where things are a bit tighter, I've never been able to do it with peace of mind. Typically if I'm using such a holster for concealment I'll remove the holster, holster the gun, then attach the gun and holster as a unit.

Typically though my most commonly carried guns are a Ruger LCP (pocket holster so not an issue), Taurus 709 Slim (same), and a Taurus PT-111 G2 (it has a manual safety). My Glocks and most of my other guns are generally full sized guns that I mostly use more for the range, home defense, and competition where holstering either isn't an issue, or it's a type of holster that isn't as difficult to reholster with.

barnetmill said:

Topic of how glocks discharging while being holstered has been much discussed here. That is why I use the tau device. It does not need to be disengaged to fire the gun. But it can be used to make sure the trigger is not being snagged/pulled by like a shirt tail when holstering. Still not idiot proof, but what is.
Striker Control Device – Tau
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mgmorden said:

Yeah I have no issue holstering a Glock or other no safety stiker-fired gun in a rigid/kydex OWB holster, but for an IWB holster where things are a bit tighter, I've never been able to do it with peace of mind. Typically if I'm using such a holster for concealment I'll remove the holster, holster the gun, then attach the gun and holster as a unit.

Typically though my most commonly carried guns are a Ruger LCP (pocket holster so not an issue), Taurus 709 Slim (same), and a Taurus PT-111 G2 (it has a manual safety). My Glocks and most of my other guns are generally full sized guns that I mostly use more for the range, home defense, and competition where holstering either isn't an issue, or it's a type of holster that isn't as difficult to reholster with.

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What I do..'quick to reholster' as a added benefit, for us civilians..never understood that 'requirement'. Far easier than putting after market safety doodads on your striker, IMHO.

I practice all the time and Im constantly drawing and reholstering from a AIWB type holster. If I had to take the holster out each time to put the gun in, Id never get anything done.

If you practice "safe" holstering (you watch the gun go into the holster) and do it all the time, to reinforce that in your brain, so its done without concious thought, and its basically a nonissue.

You dont need gizmos to be safe. "You" need to be the safety.

FFGCOLORADO said:

What I do..'quick to reholster' as a added benefit, for us civilians..never understood that 'requirement'. Far easier than putting after market safety doodads on your striker, IMHO.

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The Tau Striker Control Device acts more like an indicator and does not interfere with function.



Your Thumb presses on it when holstering. You holster slowly with care. If anything snags the trigger your thump pressure helps counterbalance the rear ward movement of the trigger bar and you will also feel any movement. An extremely strong pull on the trigger can not be stopped and so it is not idiot proof.

Sometimes when I go into a non-permissive area I leave the gun in the car. While seated in a car it is difficult and noticeable to replace the entire holster for me. Also in a self defense scenario, after the shooting you go to a low sul position or put the gun low and not so visible, if danger seems to be gone, after a quick 360 degree look you want that gun holstered or in someway out of sight. Reholstering is the faster way to do that. A gun in your hand can get you shot by responding officers. You of course can put the gun on the ground and distance yourself from it. That is not a good idea assuming the shooting/action is legally good.
Sul- Gun is not being brandished and yet immediately accessible. After checking the surroundings, holster that gun or get it out of sight. Sul means south in Brazil this training technique may have been developed there.

hso said:

I would be uncomfortable with the idea of pushing a little button on the trigger with my trigger finger while under stress.

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I don't understand what you mean... That device does not go on the trigger. You push your thumb on the back of the slide - like you might do with a gun with the hammer.

Google the device's name, and watch some of the youtube videos explaining it. I watched 2 last night after I saw this thread

Riomouse911 said:

If you want to spend your money on one of the aftermarket Glock safety devices, it’s your choice. I say more power to you.

I won’t. Like the SigSAUER p-220 series and my Smith, Taurus, Ruger and Colt revolvers; I find the design of the Glock to be plenty-safe as-is. I’ve been carrying one daily for the past 14.5 years, and have overseen the issuing and qualifications for 50+ others for over 13 years. With even the most apathetic and indifferent gun-toters we have, there hasn’t been one Glock we have issued fire without a finger pulling the trigger. Only one of those was into the clearing barrel prior to a cleaning. This was about ten years ago as folks were BS’ing after a training session. Guy forgot the basic rules and didn’t confirm the gun was unloaded before pulling the trigger to disassemble.

Stay safe.

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That’s the one problem I have with Glocks. We teach that you shouldn’t even touch the trigger until you have a target in your sights, yet with a Glock you have to include the ‘unless you need to disassemble the pistol’.

I very much prefer the classic Sig’s manual of arms where the design of the pistol forces you to open the slide in order to operate the takedown latch. Mechanically requiring the user to clear the gun prior to disassembly leaves so much less room for operation error.

BSW

I think, if someone feels that they "NEED" one of those in a glock, that maybe they should have just gotten a pistol with a manual safety.

Many striker triggers have little to differentiate them from a spongy Series 80 1911 carried pinned and unlocked. I won't fault any person for wanting additional safety on a striker gun.