Remington does it again... Bankruptcy No 2.

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You: “Shoot him! He’s going to kill us!”
Your friend: “Have him come over here, I can’t get a good signal in the garage...”
Thug: “The battery is probably weak. Here, give it a minute, happens to mine all the time. Do you have steel roofing?...”
You: “Do you have your thumb on the print reader right?”
Your friend: “Yeah. Maybe the lens is dirty...”
Thug: “True that! I don’t even bother after eating pizza or fried chicken, it just won’t work with the greasy. Or sometimes when my hands are sweaty, too. One of the benefits of wearing this flag, here, wipe it down on the grip side. Usually works for me...”
:)



(It’s only funny in fiction.:scrutiny:)
 
Someone noted that police officers wouldn't get on board with any "smart gun" technology in previous remarks... That would never slow down any agency that wanted them at all... Matter of fact it's a rare thing when officer's needs or opinions are ever solicited that I ever saw in my years in law enforcement. Too often agencies are influenced by the folks that hold the money - and those folks are pretty clueless about firearms in general... but they really really know how to cater to the mob...
 
Remington's Versa Max and V3 shotguns are above Ok. Several friends have them, no problems in any weather. And reasonably priced. But, fudge, they wouldn't make a V3 in 20 gauge no matter HOW many ppl :cool:wanted them. And let's not forget the 870 which became so-so, finish was crappy, but gun is still a fav.

Don't respond to the market, market moves elsewhere.
Enough market moves elsewhere, potentially makes all new purchases...elsewhere.
Company with vast experiences on NOT reading the market, not responding etc. , moves elsewhere or goes broke.

Remington chose the latter.
 
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if smart guns are gonna be like smart phones we might as well not have a gun. opening/unlocking the phone with fingerprint is a crap shoot at best. very unreliable. granted I keep phones a long time, much like I keep guns. i dont upgrade quarterly/yearly like some do. trying to it under stress I'd be likely dead.
 
Slappy White said:
But if they found a way to make it work, could that maybe eventually be a good thing?
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The propaganda of "smart guns" goes back to the 90's under the Clinton administration, it is a ploy by anti gunners to promote because....

A~They know that it would make guns cost more thus preventing more people from being able to afford one.

B~ If smart guns actually made it to the market the anti gun people would mandate that all future guns made be mandatory to be "smart" thus banning ALL other traditional guns from ever being made, a anti gun person's best dream because that would wipe out the vast majority o the gun manufactures and again eliminate vast majority o people from being able to get a gun.

C~ used gun pre-"smart" might be banned in some instances or at the very least would skyrocket in price due to demand, thus once again limiting many people from being able to afford guns.

"smart guns" that the anti's and so called "just wanting safer guns" is all about gun control and limiting guns to people, safety is their two faced reason to promote them.
 
lionking said:
The propaganda of "smart guns" goes back to the 90's under the Clinton administration, it is a ploy by anti gunners to promote because....

A~They know that it would make guns cost more thus preventing more people from being able to afford one.

B~ If smart guns actually made it to the market the anti gun people would mandate that all future guns made be mandatory to be "smart" thus banning ALL other traditional guns from ever being made, a anti gun person's best dream because that would wipe out the vast majority o the gun manufactures and again eliminate vast majority o people from being able to get a gun.

C~ used gun pre-"smart" might be banned in some instances or at the very least would skyrocket in price due to demand, thus once again limiting many people from being able to afford guns.

"smart guns" that the anti's and so called "just wanting safer guns" is all about gun control and limiting guns to people, safety is their two faced reason to promote them.
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I agree, the anti-gun people's eagerness to use smart guns as a way to disarm more people has made smart gun technology a poison pill for any manufacture. There are already laws on the books in several states that will trigger that all new handguns will have to be smart guns once the first viable one hits the market.

This is a shame in someways. Some of the technology to make smart guns might be useful. I know everyone immediately thinks of the the bad aspects but there are good aspects. A biometricly locked gun could be useful in a small select set of cases. A guard in a prison could use such a weapon if the technology was reliable for example. But the anti gunners have so tainted the industry and even the Pro-2A population against anything remotely looking like smart gun technology that no one is working on it even for good reasons.
 
lionking said:
If smart guns actually made it to the market the anti gun people would mandate that all future guns made be mandatory to be "smart" thus banning ALL other traditional guns from ever being made,
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The new smart pistol will laser read your retina. If you are the owner it will then read the face of the “victim” and run it against a data base, of Navajo Nation members.:)
If the target is not Navajo the pistol is freed, if they who would rape or kill you are of the “Right Kind” the laser blinds your sighting eye and locks the pistol, rendering it inactive until the Nation can contact the “victim” and ensure he was not shot. Upon confirmation the pistol will be unlocked, though in safe mode...

We already have the media doing the Memory Hole, why not make guns anti-self defense?:confused:
 
Remington is a bit like the Outboard Marine Corporation of the 70s which owned Evinrude, Johnson, Lawn Boy and a bunch of other lucrative companies. OMC no longer exists. What takes many years and much dedication to build is plundered by corporate raiders after clueless managers have run it aground. Remington 870s and 700s shaped my expectations when I learned to shoot. Brand loyalty was theirs to lose, and lose it they did. Would love to see it rise again, but would take vision, loyalty and determination that is even more rare today.
 
rust collector said:
Remington is a bit like the Outboard Marine Corporation of the 70s which owned Evinrude, Johnson, Lawn Boy and a bunch of other lucrative companies. OMC no longer exists.
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Don't get me started. I'm a dyed in the wool Johnson/Evinrude 2 stoke fan. Much of OMC's problem was the government regulations placed upon 2 stroke technology in an effort to make 2 stroke outboards extinct. (The government has succeeded.) Evinrude fought that effort valiantly, pouring a ton of money in R&D and developing 2 strokes that would meet the new requirements. It was a losing proposition as customer tastes shifted as a result of the new regs and, ultimately, they went under when they would have survived if they just "played ball" with the EPA.

There is a lesson for gun owners and gun companies here. As government pressure to replace technology increases, customers eventually shift to the technology. (I didn't move to 4 stroke outboards until virtually all the best fishing areas in my state banned them.) If the government can get a foot hold on smart gun tech, they will make owning a "dumb gun" so horribly inconvenient that we will all eventually shift. (Not unlike smart phones but that was achieved through marketing rather than government regulation.)

rust collector said:
Brand loyalty was theirs to lose, and lose it they did. Would love to see it rise again, but would take vision, loyalty and determination that is even more rare today.
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Are we still talking about Remington? Because this is exactly how I feel about Winchester.
 
For D.B. I feel your pain since I've never run any other brand than "JohnRude" - since 1974... The outfit that makes them now, Bombardier, just announced they were halting all outboard motor production - and me with a nearly new motor with more than four years warranty remaining... Sigh... When OMC went bust in 2001 I got caught then as well...

Since I work out of a small skiff I might know more about OMC and all the other stuff than I ever wanted to know... The next time I re-power I'll be forced to go to another make - and that will add at least $2500 to my cost since all of the gauges, wiring harness, as well as shift and throttle will need to be changed out... Sigh...

"Aren't boats fun ?"
 
The article states that the Navajo Nation will purchase the assets of Remington. That means the bankruptcy receiver will get cash to distribute to creditors who will otherwise go unpaid. So the Nation will end up with all the tangible assets of Remington. That means those assets could be used as part of the formation of a new company to make guns. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
 
Demi-human said:
boat: /bōt/, noun;
  1. a small hole in the water, propelled by oars, sails, or an engine, in which money is thrown.

“Big Bore”: /big bor/ Vern. noun;
  1. a large caliber firearm in which money is burned.

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I always heard it this way

A hole in the water surrounded by metal, wood, or fiberglass, into which one shovels money.
 
I’m sure folks have heard this one.

B.O.A.T.

Bust Out Another Thousand.

That was 10 years ago though.

Maybe more like Bust Out Another Two thousand (or Ten thousand)

Sometimes companies just deserve to fail. I hate it for the employees because they don’t have a choice but anyone paying attention knew Remington was circling the drain. It started before Cerberus acquired them and was probably why Cerberus acquired them to begin with.

We will just have to see how it pans out.
 
huntsman said:
If Big Green has a liquidation sale on current product I may use some stimulus money to purchase a shotgun.

We live in interesting times.
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They liquidate all the Bushmaster/DPMS/Tapco stuff back at the first of the year when they killed those brands. Most of the liquidation happened through third party vendors like CDNN and similar.
 
It is never good to loose a company even if you do not like their products. The liberal elites are picking them off, one by one by one. Doing the same thing with our freedom to gather and associate. Look at how like cattle the general public has been with unconstitutional stay at home and close your business and do not go to church craziness. Remington now, Ruger later, then, and , and-----

It has been my observation that many folks on these forums are enthusiast level folks and expect sometimes too much for their money maybe and do not represent the general shooting and hunting population. For many these products are just fine and serve well even with plastic stocks and less than mirror deep blueing. I was in the 60s, and I remember some pretty poor crap back then too and even the vaunted JM Marlin 30-30 I bought in 1974 came with the Marlin Jam, a drooping barrel and a misaligned front sight and a JM stamp. I just walked out of Walmart with a 6.5 matte stainless rifle Axis II for $250. In 1965 I cannot recall a comparable bolt action rifle which for inflation adjusted, would have been about $25.00.

No, it is not good to lose Remington or any other company. We may need to raise our price expectations a notch or two to allow companies to make a profit without offshoring.
 
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I am surprised no one wanted the Bushmaster, DPMS, or Tapco brand names. I would have thought they would have at least some value to someone.

I don't know what the Navajo nation has in mind for Remington. It does not seem like something you could move to a reservation and keep it as a going business. You would need experienced engineers and skilled machinists and assemblers that would be really hard to find on a reservation.
 
ilbob said:
I am surprised no one wanted the Bushmaster, DPMS, or Tapco brand names. I would have thought they would have at least some value to someone.

I don't know what the Navajo nation has in mind for Remington. It does not seem like something you could move to a reservation and keep it as a going business. You would need experienced engineers and skilled machinists and assemblers that would be really hard to find on a reservation.
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Bushmaster = Sandy-Hook. Despite what we think about Bushmaster the brand name is toxic to nearly everyone not pro-2A.
 
reddog81 said:
Their business plan from last time around (2018) would have drove the company straight into the ground. They basically said they’d stop selling popular guns and focus on contracts. They’d never sell enough to police departments to stay afloat. There are plenty of manufacturers out there that’ll sell to the police and military for dirt cheap in order to gain brand recognition and bragging rights among the public.

Do police departments even want smart guns? I can’t see departments paying a premium for something that few officers would want.

The smartest gun for a company to produce is the one that makes the most money.
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Not to get too political but I would imagine police are possibly facing a budget decrease in the near future given the current political climate and dumping everything into 'smart guns' is probably unlikely; I don't know if I could think of a worse business plan.
 
They would not move it to a reservation. They would run it under an umbrella corporation for profit and/or tax purposes.
 
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