Another SIG P320 accident.

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From today's Manchester, NH Union Leader:

The claimant stated, "...he was taking off his SIG Sauer holster with his SIG P320 secured in it on Jan. 28 when the pistol fired and hit him in the right thigh without him ever touching the trigger."

No info on whether it had been through any recall.
 
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So the pistol fired, contained in its holster, without any drop or impact?

Look I’m not a 320 guy and I do think current SIG has some QC problems but ima have to call BS and say user did something stupid and is trying to cover it up. Unless the holster itself had some kind of gross problem that depressed the trigger.
 
cslinger said:
So the pistol fired, contained in its holster, without any drop or impact?

Look I’m not a 320 guy and I do think current SIG has some QC problems but ima have to call BS and say user did something stupid and is trying to cover it up. Unless the holster itself had some kind of gross problem that depressed the trigger.
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Most of those stories are examples of people doing something they shouldnt , and to cover the embarrassement "oh it's a Sig!"
 
Any time I read of an Accidental discharge the first thing that comes to mind is negligent discharge. Of course who knows but, my money would be someone with a red face is trying to not admit he screwed up. Lost track of the stories about the gun that "just went off" when we all figure what really happened is someone pulled the trigger when they did not mean to. So then the story of course is "gun just went off", all by it's self and all. Remember when SUV's started to become the vehicle to hate? Every story in the news of a crash always said "SUV ran over person or drove through building and ect". As if the SUV had no driver, the vehicle just took off on it's own and went hunting. Well guns often get the same treatment. They just fire all by themselves. Often remember the joke about we need guns made by Microsoft for some people. One that if you pull the trigger a little bubble pops up asking you are you sure you want to complete this action. :D
 
The SIG-branded retention holster (made in Israel) has a latch that hooks on to the front of the trigger guard. (The user must press the latch to release the gun.) Normally this is well away from the trigger itself, but if the latch was broken, maybe a loose piece could somehow activate the trigger. I find this to be highly unlikely, but one never knows...

Here's a picture of the holster: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sig-Sauer-...NgAAOSwywdfBLHp:sc:USPSFirstClass!22183!US!-1
 
IF this occurred, the most common cause is one of those little plastic toggles or a know on the end of a jacket/sweatshirt drawstring or zipper having migrated into the holster, which inevitably finds its way into the trigger guard. I've personally witnessed two NDs because of this happening with other striker-fired pistols in Kydex or polymer holsters.

Not gonna worry about one chucklehead who can't be bothered to draw a pistol (keeping finger off the trigger) and clear it, then remove the holster. Most probably, his finger did make contact with the trigger.

cslinger said:
I do think current SIG has some QC problems
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Well, my experience has been different, having picked up about ten new SIG pistols in the past couple years, but no current gun manufacturer seems immune to any internet thread concerning one of its guns without having someone chime in about its "QC problems."
 
AlexanderA said:
The SIG-branded retention holster (made in Israel) has a latch that hooks on to the front of the trigger guard. (The user must press the latch to release the gun.) Normally this is well away from the trigger itself, but if the latch was broken, maybe a loose piece could somehow activate the trigger. I find this to be highly unlikely, but one never knows...

Here's a picture of the holster: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sig-Sauer-...NgAAOSwywdfBLHp:sc:USPSFirstClass!22183!US!-1
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I have been using that holster model for years.

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The Army's decision to demand a manual safety on the M17 / M18 begins to make a lot of sense.

It looks like the striker may have slipped off the sear.

I'll bet SIG settles the case to prevent forensic evidence from being introduced.
 
Am I the only one who has ever considered carrying with an FMJ in the chamber? Statistically I am most likely be the recipient of the bullet, not a bad guy.
 
I have read of this a few times. But I have yet to see anyone prove or disprove it. I personally do not have that kind of knowledge to make a judgement one way or the other. The new gun culture is to have the lightest trigger possible with very little reset. And to top it off, even then many want to have after market triggers to make them even lighter. Some of these carry guns have become more like target guns. I have never seen the need. I get the feeling that people read about the Pro's having them and that makes sense for them as well.
All my Carry guns are DAO. And I shoot often, at least once a week, and that trigger works out just fine for me.Each to his own

So could a gun go off simply by being dropped? A trigger that some how got something in the holster that caused enough snag that just the right movement when holstered caused it to go off when the right conditions and force met? Again, I have no knowledge to make that call. It would be nice to see it studied.
 
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MCFLYFYTER said:
Am I the only one who has ever considered carrying with an FMJ in the chamber? Statistically I am most likely be the recipient of the bullet, not a bad guy.
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If that were the case, you shouldn't carry at all. It's not; not even close.

What is true is that many people who shoot themselves in the conventional manner (by pulling the trigger) attempt to prop up their self image by blaming the gun. It's almost never the gun.
 
It will be a interesting case.

In August 2017, a Stamford, Connecticut, SWAT officer sued Sig after his holstered pistol fell and discharged a bullet into his knee, Guay alleges. Four days later, Sig "issued a press release stating that the P320 could fire without a trigger pull under certain conditions, including vibration, but "reaffirmed" the safety of the P320 to all end users," it's alleged.

https://www.sentinelsource.com/news...cle_487f0f56-9fcd-50c5-978e-7ef549478f6b.html
 
I just read the article here. The quotes below are from it. Two prior accidents Involving the P320 were cited in the court filings. Both were incidents in which holstered P320s went off while holstered by police officers. They date to 2016 and 2107. If I recall accurately that was about when Sig recalled the gun. So the question arises whether the claimant had his gun repaired, or bought a properly repaired gun. No answer in the article. Too little info to draw inclusions. .

According to court documents, Hillsborough police responded and noted “historical problems” with the pistol and determined the gun went off inside the holster. Police noted “there is no reason or evidence to suggest that Guay negligently or purposely discharged the firearm into his own leg.

The lawsuit includes a transcript from a body cam recording of Roscommon, Mich. police officers from an incident in 2016 when one officer was exiting a vehicle and his holstered P320 fired.

A Stamford, Conn., SWAT officer sued SIG Sauer in August 2017 after his holstered pistol fell and discharged a bullet into his knee, Guay’s lawsuit claims.

Four days later, according to court paperwork, SIG Sauer “issued a press release stating that the P320 could fire without a trigger pull under certain conditions, including vibration, but “reaffirmed” the safety of the P320 to all end users.”
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Handguns Magazine review of the 320 mentioned:
But for all intents and purposes, it’s a single-action gun; that’s why the trigger pull is so short.
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Ernie Bass said:
All my Carry guns are DAO.
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The problem with modern pistols is, what constitutes ‘DAO’ these days? MOST modern semis use partially-tensioned strikers and hammers (which technically are ‘DAO’) for lighter/quicker/consistent triggers, and perhaps law enforcement contract eligibility. The P320 is ‘DAO’, as are Glocks, but both pre-tension their strikers enough to ignite chambered rounds, in the UNLIKELY case of failures of their safeties (read of Glock ADs due to broken frame rails defeating its safeties).

.455_Hunter said:
Oh the beauty of a de-cocked hammer and a firing pin block. Amazing how safe a proper DA/SA or true DAO system can be.
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Since converting to AIWB, I’ve become very concerned with actions. I trust physics over mechanical safeties - so no spring-loading/pre-tension behind live primers. Verifiable hammer-down revolvers and DA/SA semis..... and true DAO semis.

Problem is identifying what are true DAO semis? I understand there are few in the micro pistol class, but are there any in the compact/sub-compact class?
 
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