Another suppressed Antique Marlin
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Speedo66
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Maybe I missed this, but are attempting to match the finish/patina of the host rifle with the finish on the cans?
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MachIVshooter
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Not really. Just make them look appropriate to the hosts. A round, flat black suppressor is out of place on these vintage lever guns.
Bwana John
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The horror, the horror......
Needs a laser, tactical light, and Mlock hand guards... and a pistol grip.
Needs a laser, tactical light, and Mlock hand guards... and a pistol grip.
horsemen61
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Can’t wait to see it done!
doubleh
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I'll have to give you atta-boys on your skills. However I haven't the least bit of interest in a suppressed lever action rifle. It's your gun or guns so do what you want but it isn't something I would even consider. Too old and set in my ways to embrace the concept I suppose.
BreechFace
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Lever actions are great suppressor hosts, just take some more work in dealing with sights and magazine tubes. Can anyone say 45 Colt suppressed!
Steve Milbocker
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I admire your workmanship but I just couldn’t do that to a fine old rifle
BigBlue 94
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Even Teddy Roosevelt put a silencer on his 30-30 Winchester 1894 in 1909...
Of course everybody is entitled to their own tastes!
Of course everybody is entitled to their own tastes!
Steve Milbocker
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https://www.guns.com/news/2012/05/1...t-collection-suppressed-winchester-model-1894
I still don’t like them but I hold a lot of respect for Teddy
Thanks for piquing my interest Big Blue
I still don’t like them but I hold a lot of respect for Teddy
Thanks for piquing my interest Big Blue
ThomasT
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I like it myself. You just made a useful rifle even more useful as far as I am concerned. You said you are going to make the next suppresor with holes that clear the bullets by .020. Is that the normal amount of clearance or is the normal bigger or smaller? I have never owned a can but my bud and I were talking about them just two days ago.
I had one of the Marlin 1894s in 32 magnum and I loaded some 76gr lead bullets in a 32 mag case with a small amount of Bullseye and it chronoed 930fps and was as quiet as CB 22 rounds. It would have made a good discreet hunting round.
I had one of the Marlin 1894s in 32 magnum and I loaded some 76gr lead bullets in a 32 mag case with a small amount of Bullseye and it chronoed 930fps and was as quiet as CB 22 rounds. It would have made a good discreet hunting round.
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MachIVshooter
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The adapters get about .020" diametral clearance; baffle apertures I cut at least .050" over nominal bullet diameter.
ThomasT
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Thanks for that. The reason I asked was because I read something about Texas law that said firearms and parts made in Tx were not subject to federal law as long as they stayed in Tx. Maybe I misunderstood what I read and if I did someone will be along shortly to set me straight.
But I took that to mean I could make my own suppressor and as long as it didn't leave the state it was legal to own. There are suppressor kits you can buy that are undrilled. I didn't realize the dimensions were that big. I would have made them tighter. I thought they had to be just over bullet diameter. I would have goofed up and had a baffle strike. That would have been interesting.
Coyote3855
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I love old Marlins and have a few. Good job with your projects. Wouldn't be my first choice for a host, but good that it works for you.
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MachIVshooter
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That has been tried elsewhere, and ATF successfully prosecuted, despite no interstate commerce. I would not recommend building anything NFA without an approved Form 1 for that item.
ThomasT
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If you remember before Remington shut down they were making leverguns with threaded barrels for doing just what the OP did. They looked really good too.
DustyGmt
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Are these exempt from any sort of regulation due to age or? Very cool either way.
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MachIVshooter
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Firearms made before 1899 are antiques and not considered firearms, do not require an FFL for interstate transfer. Suppressors are suppressors, though, so unless permanently attached to a non-firearm, are subject to all NFA and state regulations.
Gordon
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So if the can was permanently attached to an 1897 gun with a removable end cap to service. the baffles , would that be non NFA ?
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MachIVshooter
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That's one that we don't have clear, consistent answers on.
Where other alterations are concerned, such as SBR/SBS, cartridge firing antiques cease to be antiques after the modification. A pre-1899 rifle with a <16" barrel from factory is exempt, but chopping a pre-1899 gun today would require a form 1.
But the idea of permanently attaching a suppressor to an antique is a newer, more novel one, and I have yet to see an FTB determination about it. We know it's GTG with antique ignition weapons, but it's not known for antique cartridge guns.
BigBlue 94
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KS has that same type of law. Not sure I would risk it with an NFA item.
ThomasT
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I agree. None of that would be worth paying a big fine over or going to jail for. Or worst of all losing your ability to own guns. It was more of a question based on curiosity. Before I did anything like that I would get the right information from the state of Tx and the ATF. I have shot suppressed guns before and its fun and for hunting I can see a reason for doing it. I can almost make a suppressor type load with a light load like I mentioned using in the 32 mag I had.
I have a 357 Henry single shot rifle on the Buds Notify Me list and when they get one in I am going to buy it. I will try some low powered loads in its 22" barrel and see how quiet they are. There is a YT video of a guy doing that very thing with a 357 Handi-Rifle and light loads and they are almost silent.
I was goofing around with some light loads in my 30-30 and fired a round across the pond. My bud who was less than a hundred yards away came over and asked if I had fired my gun. He wasn't sure he heard gunfire or something else. So quiet loads can be made without having a can.
Gordon
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I have a Stevens Favorite that was expertly converted by Dale Storey from .32 long rimfire to .32 S&W long in the 1970 s. It has a very nice tang sight and is amazingly accurrate to 100 yards with the .32 wadcutter load. I used it to harvest bull frogs, big ones in California ranch ponds in the 1980 s when I developed a taste for frog legs as a barbeque side dish with the local Sheriff's posse . That gun is quiet , but would be a real candidate for a small can.
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MachIVshooter
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Kinda like this one?
It was a .32 rimfire smoothbore, I converted to centerfire and chambered the 16" octagon barrel for .32 S&W long. Only thing is, the barrel I snagged on the cheap is a black powder .32 cal, and the groove diameter is .331", so I can't use factory .32 S&W ammo. I have to swage a heel on .330" 8mm Lebel revolver bullets to shoot jacketed. One day I'll probably redo it, but at the rate of ammo consumption with such a rifle and a considerable stock of 100 gr. Lebel jacketed bullets, I'm in no hurry.
adcoch1
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I can't help but be amazed by the octagon thread protector. I know how to build one, but it is just so cool on this rifle. Impressive work!Kinda like this one?
It was a .32 rimfire smoothbore, I converted to centerfire and chambered the 16" octagon barrel for .32 S&W long. Only thing is, the barrel I snagged on the cheap is a black powder .32 cal, and the groove diameter is .331", so I can't use factory .32 S&W ammo. I have to swage a heel on .330" 8mm Lebel revolver bullets to shoot jacketed. One day I'll probably redo it, but at the rate of ammo consumption with such a rifle and a considerable stock of 100 gr. Lebel jacketed bullets, I'm in no hurry.
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