Mannlicher of some sort... any help would be appreciated.

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I've got this rifle here, there are no identifying markings such as numbers or letters. has a quick release scope mount and double trigger.
 

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Shows all the signs of having at one time been a military Mauser but I'm betting all identifying markings went away with the engraving and the custom barrel.

It's a beautiful thing to be sure. Any idea as to caliber?

Might be some builder's markings on the metal beneath the stock but check under the buttplate too.

Todd.
 
May be either a German "GUILD" gun or a "Cigarette" rifle.. Guild guns were made to show level of expertise to join a gunsmiths guild. Cigarette guns were post war rifles made by german gunsmiths to survive in post war times. Im learning toward a pre war guild gun due to fine engraving and nice parts. Usually 7 or 8 mm
 
Looks like a small ring Mauser to me. I'd bet 7x57 Mauser. Excellent work, from the era of craftsmanship in riflemaking. Love the set trigger setup!
 
Sorry, Definitely large ring very high quality 98 mauser. Unusually nice possibly 2 piece mannlicher stock mit schnable, interchangeable front sight, Nice bolt handle, see thru sights, the works. The lack of makers mark commonly seen on Guild gun made by an aspiring apprentice. Could be any caliber fro 6.5 thru 9,3 or so. Once disliked by american hunter these now bringing 1500+
 
entropy said:
Not having a good day. Wrong twice within minutes! Yes, the very large ring should have been my first clue. :confused:
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Not hard especially when you cannot see pics easily. Many of these were butchered in US having barrels changed out for 30-06, a US monte Carlo stock slapped on, adding a k98 bolt and even a timney Trigger!!! Seen mounts removed and other vandalism on these works of art. Prior to WWI and WWII and even during either . 98 mauser actions could be bought right from Mauser factory. After WWI Gew 98 actions were so plentiful these were used for lower cost builds and still are today. Just finished one last year. Some of these have 2 and 3 piece stocks with finely matched seams.
 
entropy said:
Looks like a small ring Mauser to me. I'd bet 7x57 Mauser. Excellent work, from the era of craftsmanship in riflemaking. Love the set trigger setup!
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i tried a few different pieces of brass that i got when we got this gun, 270 base fit pretty well but too long or too fat to go into chamber, i also tried a 8mm Mauser and it was a little looser on bolt face but still too long or fat.
 
I got this from a machinist that had done very well for himself and it was in his will to sell the lot of guns in his estate to me for a disclosed amount, he knew his family wouldn't appreciate the collection. I'm just now getting around to looking to see what we actually got. There were several Mausers in the group but this was the only one that we couldn't tell if it was Mauser or not.

Ill keep trying to figure out caliber, i tried to take the stock off but the front bolt wasn't giving up, may try again later but wasn't wanting to damage the screw.
 
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i tried a few different pieces of brass that i got when we got this gun, 270 base fit pretty well but too long or too fat to go into chamber, i also tried a 8mm Mauser and it was a little looser on bolt face but still too long or fat.
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This is why many WWII bring backs wound up rebarreled to a known US caliber. Measure bore first and go from there A chamber cast will tell the tale. Their are (were) many european calibers now avail before the fauxvid BS was foisted on us. If you don't have calipers handy try sticking a 6.5 Swed cartridge bullet first into muzzle. Let us know what you find.
 
vintovka said:
Not hard especially when you cannot see pics easily. Many of these were butchered in US having barrels changed out for 30-06, a US monte Carlo stock slapped on, adding a k98 bolt and even a timney Trigger!!! Seen mounts removed and other vandalism on these works of art. Prior to WWI and WWII and even during either . 98 mauser actions could be bought right from Mauser factory. After WWI Gew 98 actions were so plentiful these were used for lower cost builds and still are today. Just finished one last year. Some of these have 2 and 3 piece stocks with finely matched seams.
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this one definitely has the stock seamed in 2 places , making it a 3 piece. the seams as you described are very clean and deliberate. very nice gun, wish it was in better shape but it had to have come a long ways to end up in my hands.
 
vintovka said:
This is why many WWII bring backs wound up rebarreled to a known US caliber. Measure bore first and go from there A chamber cast will tell the tale. Their are (were) many european calibers now avail before the fauxvid BS was foisted on us. If you don't have calipers handy try sticking a 6.5 Swed cartridge bullet first into muzzle. Let us know what you find.
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i need to find some more brass as the mauser brass is the only non "american" brass i have. I might see about a chamber case if reasonable.
 
When i ran out of cerro-safe i used plain old candle wax. Clean chamber Plug bore with paper carefully push out from muzzle. Not highly accurate but gave me a clue. I have won beer bets on detecting german ability to splice stocks together. Hoping its 6.5 Swede for your sake. BTW its scope looks modern can you send a pic of any marks? Its not the right size for those rings and looks funny.
 
vintovka said:
When i ran out of cerro-safe i used plain old candle wax. Clean chamber Plug bore with paper carefully push out from muzzle. Not highly accurate but gave me a clue. I have won beer bets on detecting german ability to splice stocks together. Hoping its 6.5 Swede for your sake. BTW its scope looks modern can you send a pic of any marks? Its not the right size for those rings and looks funny.
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i agree the scope is not right, i thought it was the coolest that it was quick disconnect, i have been removing scopes and rings from most of these as they were carelessly installed, cheap rings and scopes are something i don't do on anything.

im going to try and remove the stock here in a few min.
 
I should add my dad was in Aachen just after it was captured in WW2. He spoke of the assignment to order all the residents to surrender any arms in their possession. He still remembered the words
" Gib alle Waffen sofort ab oder werde erschossen" (Surrender all weapons immediatly or get shot!!!)
The streets had piles of every thing from the 15th century up and rifles like yours were present in great numbers. They tossed them in trucks to a depot and GI's took whatever they wanted. Prolly what the left wants to do to us.
 
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i agree the scope is not right, i thought it was the coolest that it was quick disconnect, i have been removing scopes and rings from most of these as they were carelessly installed, cheap rings and scopes are something i don't do on anything.

im going to try and remove the stock here in a few min.
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Replacing the scope with a period one may be hard and expensive. Most had rings soldered to scope body/ Yours should have been disassembled to get scope it but they may have forced rings open. Scope diameter is too big anyway as ring gap is big!. Thinking maybe rings are not original? If they are worth destroying scope to save them. Some rings are unique to mounts and not easily replaced. Looking forward to barrel marks.
 
alrighty got the stock off, the screw I thought held it on is soldered in, I realized the sling mount was what was holding it on, there are marks on all critical parts on the underside all are 1888 marked and one M on the actual receiver.
 
here are receiver pics
 

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Hmm could be early 8mm like 8x57 round nose. Try a close up pic. All german stuff usually be proof marked.
 
Sorry just saw pics. Pretty sure thats a serial #. Without a proof makes me wonder if its a unproofed guild gun. Cerrosafe needed to confirm caliber plus a headspace.
 
definitely a short chamber , a 270 fits well minus length and its probably close to half the length.

do i just plug the barrel with paper and pour cerrosafe right down in the chamber?

also the rifling looks great, like its been shot just a couple times.
 
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