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Thinking a bit about a Ruger New Vaquero....

When I was growing up, I shot a Daisy Model 25, and I was shown a few rifles and shotguns, my uncle's Colt Government Model .45 Automatic, and some DA police revolvers. But the firearms that really caught my fancy were Colt Single Action Army revolvers, aka the Peacemaker or Model P. I only saw them on TV and in pictures.

The King of the Cowboys carried two. Gene Autry carried one. Hopalong, Cisco and Pancho, the daring and resourceful Masked Rider of the Plains, and others carried them. We saw them on small screens with poor reception and poor resolution, but we knew what they were.

The first time I got a good view of a "cowboy gun", I was in a theater, and the gun was on a big screen. I was at least as interested in Shane's gun as was young Joey Starrett.

A decade and a half later, I acquired a new Colt SAA, .45 with a 5 1/2 inch barrel. It was extremely well made. The grip and the balance were--perfect. I was pretty good with it.

I sold it for two reasons: I did not like the possibility of someone else's lowering the hammer on a live round, and I needed the money at the time.

I have been thinking a bit about the Ruger New Vaquero. I do not need one. I am getting to the stage at which I really do not need to acquire anything, but I can imagine shooting one, and hanging it by the fireplace in the right kind of leather when we are by ourselves. Grips would matter, too.

I have yet to handle one. What do some of you SAA aficionados think about it? Compare it to the Colt. Forget the number of clicks--I can live with that.
 
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I've owned both Vaqueros, New Vaqueros and
Colt Single Action Army models. I liked the
old thumb busting SAA but for the money I'd
go with the New Vaquero.

The New Vaquero with its safety features and
nearly indestructible design can't be beat.

Purists will disagree. But you opened the door
to buying a Ruger and that's the way to go.
And Ruger's customer service is legendary in
an extremely positive way.
 
I was extremely satisifed with the Vaquero I used to have. Shot probably over 1000 rounds through it. One of the small parts broke, I sent it to Ruger for evaluation and they said it'd cost me to have it fully repaired. Mind you, it was scratched up and I removed the ejector rod on purpose (for better handling) so it probably looked like a idiot abused it. I declined, they returned it fixed anyway.
Its such a pretty gun that's also down to getting dirty. If I were you i'd get the .357 chambering. Savings on ammo and if you reload, you use way less lead that way.
 
My opinion, go with what feels better - get what grips better for you.
Current conditions make it hard to stroll into a gun shop and "feel the grips".
From my perspective, SSA and regular Ruger Blackhawk grips appear similar- however for
Some reason the SAA grip feels better to me than the Ruger. However putting a Hogue black rubbery grip on a Blackhawk - makes it pretty good. The Hogue grip is inexpensive, but ugly.
The Bisley style is nice for many.
A few months ago, I ran into a Taylor SAA clone with a so called Army grip- it felt so good that it followed me home - shoots very well for me. Fits and fills my hand well without overstuffing it as sometimes the Bisley grip does. Try one if you can find it.
If the SSA was good, get another - if you can? Or consider a FA97.
 
I have an older, large frame Vaquero in .45 Colt and it's been great! Shoots to POA with both factory and handloaded ammo. The gun, with a 5 1/2" barrel, balances perfectly in my hand and is simply a blast to shoot!

I also have a Beretta Stampede and an EMF Hartford Model SAA made by ASM with both guns also chambered in .45 Colt. All three of my single actions are fun to shoot and are fairly accurate too!
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My Vaquero is the older, large frame 4 5/8” polished stainless version in .45 Colt.

Its been a great gun; always reliable and fun to shoot. The smaller frame guns are a bit more svelte than mine and just as much fun to shoot, too. I don’t think you can go wrong with getting one for yourself :thumbup:.

Stay safe.
 
Howdy

What do some of you SAA aficionados think about it? Compare it to the Colt.

I have Colts, Rugers, and I even still have an Uberti Cattleman.

Left to right in this photo are a Blackhawk, a blued 'original model' Vaquero, two stainless 'original model' Vaqueros, and on the right are two New Vaqueros.

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The 'original model' Vaquero was produced from 1993 until 2005. (I always refer to the original, larger version as the 'original model' just like that, to avoid confusion with the New Vaquero.)

The 'original model' Vaquero was built on the same large frame as a Ruger Blackhawk. The only difference was the adjustable sight of a Backhawk was replaced with a fixed sight with a groove down the top strap, and the contours at the top of the frame were rounded over to resemble a Colt.


Here is a photo of my 45 Colt/45ACP Blackhawk and an 'original Vaquero' chambered for 45 Colt. The frames are identical in size. The cylinder of the 'original model' Vaquero (and a Blackhawk) was larger than a Colt. Because the cylinder was larger, the frame was larger to accommodate it. 'original model' Vaqueros were available in a greater selection of calibers than the New Vaquero. Working from memory, some of the chamberings were 45 Colt, 44-40, 44 Magnum. I believe some were also chambered for 38-40, and 'convertibles' were available with two cylinders for 38-40 and 40 S&W. Working from memory, so don't hold me to that. This 'original model' Vaquero has an aftermarket cylinder pin in it, that is not the standard cylinder pin.

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A stainless 'original model' Vaquero and the blued one. Both are chambered for 45 Colt. Note the 'color case' finish on the blued one. This was standard on the blued 'original model' Vaqueros. Not true Case Hardening, Ruger frames are hardened all the way through. The 'color case' finish applied to these revolvers was done with a chemical wash. Also of interest, while Blackhawks have always had aluminum grip frames and ejector rod housings, the 'original model' Vaqueros had steel grip frames and ejector rod housings. I recall the first time I picked up that blued 'original model' Vaquero I noticed how heavy it was because of the steel grip frame and ejector rod housing. The very first stainless 'original model' Vaqueros had a matte finish, but Ruger realized right away that giving them a high polish made them look a lot like a nickel plated revolver. Nickel plating was very common in the 19th Century.

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The New Vaquero came out in 2005 and the 'original model' Vaquero was discontinued at the same time.

(Editorial Comment: I always thought it was a dumb idea to call the new revolver the New Vaquero. What were they going to call the next version, New and Improved Vaquero? This also led to never ending confusion because ALL Ruger Single Action revolvers with a transfer bar are New Models, including all the Vaqueros, vs the old Three Screw Blackhawks that did not have a transfer bar. Why Ruger did not call the new ones the Vaquero Mk II, like they have done with their 22 semi-automatics is beyond me. That type of nomenclature has worked very well with the 22s, they are up to Mk IV at this time. I suppose it did not sound cowboy enough.




This photo shows my blued 'original model' Vaquero and a 357 Magnum New Vaquero. Hopefully it illustrates the size difference between the two. As far as I recall, Ruger introduced the New Vaquero because a sizeable number of the public was complaining about how big the 'original model' Vaqueros were. Of course, once the New Vaquero replaced the 'original model' there were an equal number of complaints about it being too small. Notice the different profiles of the hammer spur on the two revolvers. With the 'original', just like with a Blackhawk, the gun could be sighted with the hammer down. With a New Vaquero, just like with a Colt, the taller hammer spur blocks the sights when the hammer is down. The revolver cannot be sighted unless the hammer is cocked. Later, there were different hammer profiles available for the New Vaquero because there were complaints about not being able to sight the revolver with the hammer down. Why anybody would want to sight a single action revolver with the hammer down is beyond me.

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This photo shows a New Vaquero at the top and a Colt Single Action Army at the bottom. They are very similar in size. The New Vaquero is about 10% smaller than the old 'original models'. Both are chambered for 45 Colt. Notice the similarity of hammer profiles. Notice this New Vaquero has a blued frame. Ruger discontinued the 'color case' finish on New Vaqueros after a while because of complaints that it rusted easily. New Vaqueros are only available blued or polished stainless. Also because of the smaller cylinder and frame, New Vaqueros are only available now chambered for 45 Colt and 357 Magnum. No 44 Magnum New Vaqueros have ever been produced.

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When the New Vaquero first came out, it had a lock in the frame. When purchased the lock was disengaged and the shooter would never know it was there if he did not take off the grips. There was a small divot on the undereside of the right grip indicating where to drill a hole to engage the lock, but if the hole was not drilled, it was not at all obvious there was a lock inside. The revolver came with a key for the lock, but I never used it so I don't even remember what the key looked like. No, I have never, ever heard of the lock failing.

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More recently the lock has been eliminated because so many complained about it. They clearly did not understand that unlike a Smith and Wesson, if you did not drill the hole for the key you would never know the lock was there. The dimple is still on the underside of the right grip.

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One of my complaints about the 'original model' Vaquero, and New Model Blackhawks too, is that when loading, if one rotates the cylinder ever so slightly too far, the hand would click into the next tooth of the cylinder ratchet teeth. This prevented the chamber under the loading gate from being loaded, and the shooter had to go all the way around again to load that particular chamber. My 'original model' Vaqueros have after market hammers in them that allow the cylinder to be cocked at a half cock position keeping the chambers nicely lined up with the loading gate, just like a Colt. Anyway, the New Vaquero has a spring plunger in the frame that holds the cylinder with the chambers lined up with the loading gate. With this feature, accidentally rotating the cylinder slightly too far went away with the New Vaquero. The spring plunger can be seen in this photo, it is the small button near the hole for the cylinder pin.

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The after market half cock hammer on this 'original model' Vaquero has been set at half cock and the chamber is perfectly lined up with the loading gate.

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Of course, all Vaqueros, 'original' and New, have a transfer bar making them completely safe to load all six chambers with a live round under the hammer. The transfer bar is the long thin part pivoting on the trigger in this photo. And there are a lot more parts inside any modern Ruger than a Colt style revolver, so they are a bit fussy to get together again. Trust me on this.

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The rear sight of a New Vaquero is very similar to the rear sight of a 2nd Generation Colt. The Colt is on the left in this photo , the Vaquero is on the right. The squared off groove of the Ruger sight is a little bit wider than the Colt rear sight.

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It used to be you could always tell a New Vaquero because the frame said so.

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The 'original models' simply said Vaquero on the frame.

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This has changed very recently, there are some Distributor Exclusive Vaqueros on the market that are chambered for 44 Magnum. They are actually built on the 'original model' Vaquero sized frame, but in their infinite wisdom Ruger has stamped New Vaquero on the frames. See what I mean about what a bad idea it was to call them New Vaqueros?




I have never been a fan of the Ruger version of the Bisley grip.

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It does not much resemble an actual Colt Bisley grip.

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The other thing I will mention about New Vaquero grips is they are not very 'hand filling'. The grips of a Blackhawk or 'original model' Vaquero were just as 'hand filling, as Colt grips. The injection molded grips of the New Vaquero are thinner and do not fill the hand as much as a similar sized Colt.




I do consider myself to be a Colt Single Action Army guy.

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What you will hear all the time about Rugers is they are 'Built Like Tanks'. Some take that to mean you can fire them with hotter ammunition than you can with a Colt or clone. Ruger expressly states in their owner's manuals that the New Vaquero should only be fired with standard, SAAMI Max pressure ammunition, which is 14,000psi for 45 colt. Lots of guys claim Rugers can take higher pressure than that, but Ruger will not honor the warranty if you manage to blow up a New Vaquero with hot 'Ruger Only' loads. Of course, the cylinder walls are plenty thick on a 357 Magnum New Vaquero and they can be fired with any standard SAAMI spec 357 Magnum ammunition.

What makes a Ruger 'Built like a Tank' is the fact that many years ago Bill Ruger replaced all the leaf springs, that were prone to break, in his revolvers, with coil springs, which are almost indestructible.

Here are a broken split trigger/bolt spring and a broken bolt from one of my 2nd Gen Colts. The break on that trigger/bolt spring is typical of the way they break, right at the base of one of the legs. Not saying the spring is guaranteed to break, but it can. The same with a hand spring. The broken bolt is a bit unusual.

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Here is one of my 2nd Gen Colts completely disassembled. You will notice I replaced the split trigger/bolt spring with a wire spring. Again, not saying the leaf springs in a Colt (or a clone) are guaranteed to break, but I always bring a pair of 'original model' Vaqueros with me to a CAS match just in case a spring breaks in one of my Colts.

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There are only four parts in a Colt style lockwork. Hammer, trigger, hand, and bolt. The lower arrow is pointing to the tip of the trigger called the sear. The upper arrow is pointing to the so called 'safety cock notch' on the hammer. I NEVER, EVER trust the safety cock notch. With a live round under the hammer and the hammer cocked in the 'safety cock notch', if the revolver should happen to fall to the ground and land on the hammer spur there is an excellent chance the sear will break off and the revolver will fire. It has happened countless times. Also visible in this photo is the hand spring. It is a leaf spring peened into place in a slot in the hammer. These can break too.

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Way back in the 1950s Ruger replaced all the leaf springs in the Three Screw Blackhawk single action revolver with almost indestructible coil springs. Adding the transfer bar in the mid 1970s made them safer. Here is one of my New Vaqueros completely disassembled. Yes, there are more parts than in a Colt. I can almost take a Colt apart blindfolded, I need to see it to put it together again. Rugers have a lot more parts, and can be a bit fussy to put back together again, so I don't like taking them apart very often.

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But from a Colt SAA guy, Ruger New Vaqueros are an excellent revolver. Nope, unless you install an after market hammer you will not get all the clicks, even then only three clicks, not four. But the design is terrific.

I have not checked prices recently, but I suspect the price of a New Vaquero is not a whole lot different than an Italian replica of a Colt. And a heck of a lot less than a Colt.
 
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I have a Ruger stainless New Vaquero in 45 Colt. Never handled an actual SAA but people say the Ruger feels very similar. It's certainly less expensive than the Colt. I like using BP handloads in it. And it fills the gap left after I wore out my Roy Rogers cap pistols, circa 1959. :D

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That was one heckuva write up @Driftwood Johnson Very nice. Thank you.

I now own one New Vaquero and one original Vaquero. I have owned 2 other New Vaqueros and 3 other original Vaqueros.
The New Vaqueros feel similar to the Colt SAA in my limited experience handling and shooting friend’s SAA’s. I have never owned a Colt SAA. I never had a desire to own one. I like Rugers. I trust Rugers.
The original Vaquero is larger and heavier that an SAA.

My current New Vaquero is a 5.5” stainless model. I wear XXL gloves. The grip is a bit cramped but usable. I am considering installing an original Vaquero grip frame. I like the original frame with slim grips. Never cared for the bell at the bottom of Ruger’s original frame grips.

Anyway, an added plus with the New Vaquero in .45 Colt is for $150 Ruger can install a .45 ACP cylinder so you could have a convertible. They won’t do that for the original models per my conversation with them regarding the cylinder for my New Vaquero.

Also, in the tradition of Ruger and their obvious love affair with confusion I believe the New Vaquero name has been changed to just plain old “Vaquero”.
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Here are the two I have now. The original has a 7.5” barrel. The black grips on the New Vaquero are not my favorites. They will be history soon.

The size difference between the two.
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I honestly believe you would enjoy a New Vaquero. They are fun and pretty darn cool.
 
I prefer the adjustable sight Blackhawks versus the fixed sight Vaquero, but that's me. But, single action revolvers and I do not get along very well as the trigger guard wraps my knuckles fairly well.

But, don't let that sway any one agains a Vaquero. Ruger single action revolvers are good revolvers.

I'd like a Colt SAA to add to my collection someday.
 
But, single action revolvers and I do not get along very well as the trigger guard wraps my knuckles fairly well.

Howdy

I'll bet you are cramming your entire hand onto the grip.

I discovered a long time ago that when I curl my pinky under the grip, it shifts my hold on the grips down a little bit. This opens up a gap of about 1/4" between the knuckle of my middle finger and the rear of the trigger guard. With that 1/4" gap the trigger guard never whacks my knuckle. Even with my heavy recoiling Black Powder 45 Colt loads. Been doing it for years. Try it.

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Also, I do not hold the revolver with a death grip. I hold it just tightly enough that I do not drop it. This allows the grip to rotate in my hand in recoil, bringing the hammer spur closer to my thumb. Makes for much easier cocking.
 
There isn't much I can add. I'm just another one who grew up watching westerns on TV. The problem is I don't really care for shooting S/A revolvers. No idea why, I just don't. Still I manage to keep one around most of the time. There is just something about them that I do like. I guess there is a romance to them that still tugs at me. I've only got this one these days, a USFA SAA in 45 Colt. When I saw it, I knew I had to have it. I have fired a few rounds through it, but 45 Colt ammo is hard to find/expensive, so it doesn't get shot much. Still it's easy on the eyes.

I wish I still had that Bianchi John Wayne holster/gunbelt outfit my ex gave me for Christmas many years ago. Although I'm sure the belt has shrunk over the years.

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The pictures do no do it justice, I promise.
 
Thinking a bit about a Ruger New Vaquero....

When I was growing up, I shot a Daisy Model 25, and I was shown a few rifles and shotguns, my uncle's Colt Government Model .45 Automatic, and some DA police revolvers. But the firearms that really caught my fancy were Colt Single Action Army revolvers, aka the Peacemaker or Model P. I only saw them on TV and in pictures.

The King of the Cowboys carried two. Gene Autry carried one. Hopalong, Cisco and Pancho, the daring and resourceful Masked Rider of the Plains, and others carried them. We saw them on small screens with poor reception and poor resolution, but we knew what they were.

The first time I got a good view of a "cowboy gun", I was in a theater, and the gun was on a big screen. I was at least as interested in Shane's gun as was young Joey Starrett.

A decade and a half later, I acquired a new Colt SAA, .45 with a 5 1/2 inch barrel. It was extremely well made. The grip and the balance were--perfect. I was pretty good with it.

I sold it for two reasons: I did not like the possibility of someone else's lowering the hammer on a live round, and I needed the money at the time.

I have been thinking a bit about the Ruger New Vaquero. I do not need one. I am getting to the stage at which I really do not need to acquire anything, but I can imagine shooting one, and hanging it by the fireplace in the right kind of leather when we are by ourselves. Grips would matter, too.

I have yet to handle one. What do some of you SAA aficionados think about it? Compare it to the Colt. Forget the number of clicks--I can live with that.
I've had Spaghetti Colts but not a "real" 1873 SAA "Peacemaker Model P" Colts so I can't comment on both. I have shot borrowed Colts and know that I like both Ruger and the genuine articles. I won't give up either my Spaghetti Colts or Rugers willingly; but, as time passes and my health degrades, I know I will eventually have to give them all up - can't take it with you, you know ;) For your question and "the now" and how I suspect things are going to be moving forward into the 21st Century, I would highly recommend investing in the genuine Colt - not just to lock away but to shoot, sparingly - but buying a Ruger to shoot as often as the mood strikes. I have had plenty of Rugers, still do including two Vaqueros, and have yet to be disappointed. The Rugers are just really well engineered and built to last.

I do not recommend any of the Italian or Spanish imports - as good as some of them are - except as range guns, exhibition guns, or display pieces. I do and have hunted small game with my Pietta .357 but, when it comes down to business, I use a (DA) Smith, (DA) Colt or Ruger.
 
CajunBass

That is one sweet looking USFA SAA! Definitely one of my "dream guns" with the 4 5/8" barrel, color case hardening, and deep blue finish! The only thing I would add would be either some faux ivory grips (American Holly comes to mind), or else a pair of stag grips with just a little bit of bark on them.
 
There isn't much I can add. I'm just another one who grew up watching westerns on TV. The problem is I don't really care for shooting S/A revolvers. No idea why, I just don't. Still I manage to keep one around most of the time. There is just something about them that I do like. I guess there is a romance to them that still tugs at me. I've only got this one these days, a USFA SAA in 45 Colt. When I saw it, I knew I had to have it. I have fired a few rounds through it, but 45 Colt ammo is hard to find/expensive, so it doesn't get shot much. Still it's easy on the eyes.

I wish I still had that Bianchi John Wayne holster/gunbelt outfit my ex gave me for Christmas many years ago. Although I'm sure the belt has shrunk over the years.

The pictures do no do it justice, I promise.

I had to look them up for sale an about had a heart attack. Beautiful.
 
Driftwood and Bannock pretty well covered the subject and the pics are extraordinary...if you don't drool over some, if not all of them, then you really aren't a single action man at heart.

I'll add that comparing my New Vaquero to my Colt gen lll SAA, both in .45 Colt, I think the Ruger is the better value, from a price standpoint. The cost of true Colts has gone well beyond their worth as shooting tools, IMHO.

My Colt is a 7-1/2" bbl'd SAA, made in the late 70's...sports a good solid bluing job, a usable trigger and shoots more or less to the sights. This last: ~4" high at 25 yds but good on windage. Many years ago I found a well blued .45 ACP cylinder at a show in Louisville. Taking it home, a five minute touch up with a jeweler's mill file, was all it took to turn the Colt into a two caliber shooter. Like the original .45 Colt, the new .45 ACP cylinder shot centered in windage and surprise, surprise...the elevation was dead on at 25 yds....that lighter bullet just didn't climb like the old 255 FN. But I never really warmed up to the gun...too much bbl. for my tastes I guess. It's a rarely shot range toy now.

Then, a decade or so later, I found a .45 Colt NV for a reasonable price, and with a more usable 4-5/8" bbl. Trouble was it wouldn't shoot cast bullets worth a tinker's dam. The cylinder throats were ~0.450" with a 0.452" groove dia., and leading was atrocious. I sent it off to "Cylindersmith" back before he retired and got the throats opened up to a uniform 0.4525" and that cured all its problems. Group sizes dropped down very close to 2" from 4-5" prior and leading was a thing of the past. But the gun shot 2" low and ~2-3" left for me, so I opened the rear notch a bit and tilted the front sight ever so slightly. It zeroed up nicely, and the widened rear notch was actually a help for my aging eyes. Trigger wise, the gun was ok, but improved from the 'poor man's trigger job' (lifting one of the trigger return spring legs off its peg). As it stands now, it feels like about 3.5 lbs or so...and I'd not like it any lower. Overall, I really like the gun...it packs well in a western style holster of my own make, and balances very well indeed, in the hand.

Given a choice of the two...I'd unhesitatingly take the Ruger....even with that company's reputation for undersized throats in its .45 Colt offerings. Too, Ruger has a blemish free rep. for customer service in my book and their guns are priced realistically... YMMv, Rod Pics: 3-screw .41 BH in a holster I made up that fits both the NV & several BH's...home made stocks on both...regards, Rod

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One of my favorite gun show memories was the time I picked up two guns that were meant for each other! The first one I bought was a LNIB Rossi Model 92 in .45 Colt. As soon as I saw it with it's 16" barrel and large loop lever I knew two things: 1) I had to have it, and 2) I had to get it now before anyone else saw it!

Next on my list of things to do was picking up a Beretta Stampede that I had noticed earlier on my first time through the show. It was NIB (great), in .45 Colt (even better), and they were very flexible with the price (perfect)! I remember like a week of two later I was watching a John Wayne western, "Rio Bravo", and thinking while my two guns weren't made by Winchester and Colt, they still had that old West feel to them and that's all that mattered.
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A good pair to draw to Bannock...how's that Rossi Carbine shoot? I'm a lever gun fan myself, but have never found a .45 Colt model of any make that was priced right and with a reputation for accuracy to match...

And......gotta say...the case hardening on the Beretta is superb....

One of my son's pals bought one (pretty sure it was a Beretta) a few years ago...very pretty...and I made up a holster for him to house it....reminds me that we've never shot it over here on the farm...gotta give it a try some time this fall. He sent me this pic with some accompanying accoutrement for after the range...

Best Regards, Rod

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