Talk me out of it. Colt Trooper Mk IV

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Someone traded one of these in to my store Saturday and I'm really, really tempted. Condition is excellent barring just a bit of holster wear. Lockup is average (seen some use), minimal end shake, finish is 90%, original grips, barrel is excellent. Thing is, we do value for value here and the only thing I could trade on it would be my custom Glock 27 with a threaded 9mm conversion barrel that is my "concealable, ammo everywhere, suppressable bug-out carry gun." I kinda hate the Glock but its very, very practical from a utilitarian standpoint even if it tears up my hand a bit. But man this is a nice looking Colt and I don't have a .357 in my set these days. It's tearing me up!
 
There was no MKIV (4). They were just Troopers, then MK3, then MK5.

The original Trooper is a great gun, based on the E/I frame same as the Python but without the same level of inside or outside polishing or fancy barrel.

The MK3, however, well.............if you really want to be talked out of it......

Not a fan of the MK3. They used sintered metal hammers and triggers at a time before the tech was mature, and they can be somewhat brittle. Ive seen multiple broken triggers- they snap where the metal is thinnest around the pivot pin. In the one case, the gun would still shoot, but there was a noticable and unusual clicking sound as the trigger was pulled- only a small section had broken away. God only knows how many rounds the gun had through it before or after the breakage....

In the other case, half of the loop had broken off and the trigger was nonfunctional.

Granted, this is probably a rare occurrence considering the thousands of MK3s Colt churned out, but its a thing. Jack First was making billet replacement parts for them- the fact that they saw a market says something- but they were $$$ and I dont know if they still have any stock remaining or plan to do another run anytime soon.

When the Mk5s came around, they ditched the sintered parts and went with regular castings- never seen an issue with these. Trooper Mk5s were only produced for a few years and are rare- they kinda evolved into the King Cobra and (scaled up) Anaconda.

Its a shame, too, because I consider the Trooper MK3 one of the best looking Colt revolvers ever, but they are a hard pass for me. YMMV, of course.

If its an original, 1st Gen Trooper, I say buy. I did.:)
 
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This bunch of enablers? Talk you out of it? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
I agree with ColtPythonElite.

Not a fan of the MK3. They used sintered metal hammers and triggers at a time before the tech was mature, and they can be somewhat brittle.

You know, the funny thing is, I shot my StuffundkompressBlueDot125HP Patronen (Patent Applied For)[not really!] quite a bit out of my Trooper MkIII, but they broke the hammer on my Dad's 4" Python the one time he used them. :confused:
 
This bunch of enablers? Talk you out of it? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
I agree with ColtPythonElite.



You know, the funny thing is, I shot my StuffundkompressBlueDot125HP Patronen (Patent Applied For)[not really!] quite a bit out of my Trooper MkIII, but they broke the hammer on my Dad's 4" Python the one time he used them. :confused:
If anything, the cylinder indexing system, hand, ratchet, and bolt on the MK3 are stronger than that of the I-frame.....
 
I had a MK.III and a couple of Mk.Vs. The Mk.III was built like the proverbial tank. It was my first .357 and never had any problems with it except for when the roll pin that held the rear sight in place broke. I replaced it with a section of a drill bit and that took care of the problem.

The Mk.Vs were a big improvement over the Mk.III in that they both had far smoother actions than the Mk.III and had a much nicer grip design that fit my hand perfectly. Only sold them when I needed cash to pay for school.
 
There was no MKIV (4). They were just Troopers, then MK3, then MK5.

The original Trooper is a great gun, based on the E/I frame same as the Python but without the same level of inside or outside polishing or fancy barrel.

The MK3, however, well.............if you really want to be talked out of it......

Not a fan of the MK3. They used sintered metal hammers and triggers at a time before the tech was mature, and they can be somewhat brittle. Ive seen multiple broken triggers- they snap where the metal is thinnest around the pivot pin. In the one case, the gun would still shoot, but there was a noticable and unusual clicking sound as the trigger was pulled- only a small section had broken away. God only knows how many rounds the gun had through it before or after the breakage....

In the other case, half of the loop had broken off and the trigger was nonfunctional.

Granted, this is probably a rare occurrence considering the thousands of MK3s Colt churned out, but its a thing. Jack First was making billet replacement parts for them- the fact that they saw a market says something- but they were $$$ and I dont know if they still have any stock remaining or plan to do another run anytime soon.

When the Mk5s came around, they ditched the sintered parts and went with regular castings- never seen an issue with these. Trooper Mk5s were only produced for a few years and are rare- they kinda evolved into the King Cobra and (scaled up) Anaconda.

Its a shame, too, because I consider the Trooper MK3 one of the best looking Colt revolvers ever, but they are a hard pass for me. YMMV, of course.

If its an original, 1st Gen Trooper, I say buy. I did.:)
The one big flaw of the Mk.III and Mk.V series: the firing pins can (and many but not all do) break with dry firing unless you use a snap cap. Getting it repaired is a factory job since the firing pin assembly is pressed into the frame. So, either don't dry fire a Mk.III/V Colt or don't buy a Mk.III/V Colt.

I bought my Lawman Mk. V new ...could it be almost 40 years ago now? :( ...and have never had it professionally serviced but, I don't dry fire my revolvers. After who-knows-how-many thousands of full-throat .357 rounds it's still chugging along and still accurate. Wish I'd got a flap holster before the finish and grips got ruined by rain, grit, blood, and all the other stuff you collect in an open holster down South, though.
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No. I will not talk you out of buying a new-to-you revolver. As one of several charter members of Enablers Unanimous, I just can’t bring myself to. ;)

Show us some pictures and let us know how it shoots for you when you get it to the range. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
If he don't buy it he BETTER tell one of us where to find it so I can get it. Those Troopers aren't called, "Poor Man's Pythons," for nothing.
 
Alright, now that I have my beans straight, I've handed the gun and played with it firsthand, and it isn't 1 in the morning... :D

Here's what I'm looking at. It is, in fact, a Trooper Mark III. I fiddled with it today while doing some smithing at my desk so as to test the timing and she passes with flying colors. Firing pin looks good. Rest of the description is accurate. And maybe more importantly, it feels pretty danged good in my hand. The pic doesn't quite do it justice, the actual wear is around the cylinder and that spot on the muzzle end of the barrel, and the rest of the blotches are crappy light reflection. She has one modest scratch on the frame on the other side.

This would cost me a custom Glock with 2 barrels, a bunch of mags, and a hundred dollar bill.
 

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Here's what I'm looking at. It is, in fact, a Trooper Mark III....the actual wear is around the cylinder and that spot on the muzzle end of the barrel, and the rest of the blotches are crappy light reflection. She has one modest scratch on the frame on the other side.
Holster wear. No biggie at all. It looks sweet!

This would cost me a custom Glock with 2 barrels, a bunch of mags, and a hundred dollar bill.
I'm sorry but I don't have a point of reference for what that's all adding up to. $2K? $10K? $200? My trade knowledge is skewed by locale. I "think" (maybe could be) the smaller framed Glock carry-size 9mm guns are bringing big premiums right now - but I see duty-size and larger caliber Glocks on the shelves at all three gun stores I visit and they've got dust on them so I'm not sure if it's 9mm or Glock 9mm that's selling like water in the Sahara. I'm in N. Florida near the Gatorville and our market is mostly carry and home defense people in the city and burbs. At those shops, in those towns, where the college kids and the refugees from "Awp Nawth" have settled, fancy AR's and custom Glocks are "pedestrian" - trading any Glock for any revolver is enough to get you certified. Those kids got lots of moolah and can buy whatever they want and what they seem to want are plastixfantastix and monster BFG's.

Out where I live no one wants a Colt. Period. This here's Kubota, Browning and Smith-n-Wesson territory. You'd be crazy to want a Colt.

Me, I'm different. I want it if you don't. :)
 
I had the same Colt, would love to still have it. However, like previously mentioned what’s the trade value of your Glock? From the pic I would say that Colt is a 6-7 hundred dollar gun retail. Locale and current insanity aside, they are a fairly common gun! If the trade is fair then you will be happy to have it.
 
Holster wear. No biggie at all. It looks sweet!


I'm sorry but I don't have a point of reference for what that's all adding up to. $2K? $10K? $200? My trade knowledge is skewed by locale. I "think" (maybe could be) the smaller framed Glock carry-size 9mm guns are bringing big premiums right now - but I see duty-size and larger caliber Glocks on the shelves at all three gun stores I visit and they've got dust on them so I'm not sure if it's 9mm or Glock 9mm that's selling like water in the Sahara. I'm in N. Florida near the Gatorville and our market is mostly carry and home defense people in the city and burbs. At those shops, in those towns, where the college kids and the refugees from "Awp Nawth" have settled, fancy AR's and custom Glocks are "pedestrian" - trading any Glock for any revolver is enough to get you certified. Those kids got lots of moolah and can buy whatever they want and what they seem to want are plastixfantastix and monster BFG's.

Out where I live no one wants a Colt. Period. This here's Kubota, Browning and Smith-n-Wesson territory. You'd be crazy to want a Colt.

Me, I'm different. I want it if you don't. :)

My Glock's probly worth about $700 as a used gun, so I'd have 800 in the Colt, which is fair for this area.
 
They're all collectors items, with no parts support and a dearth of qualified service people to work on them.
 
My Glock's probly worth about $700 as a used gun, so I'd have 800 in the Colt, which is fair for this area.
Hmmm... I dunno. $800 in fair trade goods seems high to me. It's a nice gun, no doubt about it, but given the times... and as @JCooperfan1911 points out, there's no real service or support available anymore so it's not like they can sell it for $800 to just anybody. It's going to have to go to a dedicated Colt fan - a collector. If it were me, in my area, I'd try to get it for $450 or the Glock and $200 cash back. What's the worst that can happen? They say no. You already didn't really want it...
 
They say no.
In this case, "they" is me. :evil:

Anyway, you guys are terrible at talking people out of things. After playing with it at my desk all afternoon and running her through the dip to see that shiny, pristine looking barrel I went ahead and bit. Guess I'm a Colt man now, among many other things. What sealed it was the obvious - I can always get another Glock. This is the first nice Colt I've been able to afford that's come through my shop in many years.
 
In this case, "they" is me. :evil:

Anyway, you guys are terrible at talking people out of things. After playing with it at my desk all afternoon and running her through the dip to see that shiny, pristine looking barrel I went ahead and bit. Guess I'm a Colt man now, among many other things. What sealed it was the obvious - I can always get another Glock. This is the first nice Colt I've been able to afford that's come through my shop in many years.
I tried. :thumbup:
 
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