Black powder revolver purchase - Bass pro
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AlexanderA
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The key thing that makes a gun an "antique" is not the propellant (black powder), but rather the ignition system. Reproduction cartridge guns are still considered "modern."
ETA: If a gun was actually made before 1899, it's an antique regardless of the ignition system. The statement in the previous paragraph applies to modern reproductions.
ETA: If a gun was actually made before 1899, it's an antique regardless of the ignition system. The statement in the previous paragraph applies to modern reproductions.
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If cartridge (for the most part) - Yes/Transfer Paperwork Req'd by all parties
If flint/percussion - No (except . . .
. . . the store may still want for CYA)
https://www.quora.com/Cabela-s-lega...-should-Cabelas-be-sued-for-following-the-law
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If flint/percussion - No (except . . .
. . . the store may still want for CYA)
https://www.quora.com/Cabela-s-lega...-should-Cabelas-be-sued-for-following-the-law
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JCooperfan1911
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If a place tries to force you to do a background check and fill out a form 4473, and your state law does not require it for a black powder weapon (most don’t), leave that place at once.
I’ve done it myself.
I’ve done it myself.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
CYA requests like that are really just training "them" (you and me) to accept more restrictions on any bangy thingies whatsoever.
I was going to use the word "infringements," instead of "restrictions," but it seems nobody understands the meaning of that older word any more.
Terry, 230RN
AlexanderA
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Meh. It doesn't bother me to fill out whatever paperwork makes the seller happy. I'm already known to the authorities as having guns. And an "antique" muzzleloader is like a nothing compared to some of my other guns.
forward observer
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Some states do not treat modern percussion muzzleloaders as antiques like federal law does,e.g. states such as New Jersey and Illinois. I know that back when I was actively collecting 2nd gen Colt percussion revolvers, I purchased a couple online from a shop located in Illinois (Simpson, LTD) which were then shipped directly to my doorstep in Arkansas just like the dozen or so I had purchased before from other online sellers in other states.
However, a year later, I purchased another from Colt 2nd gen from Simpsons and this time they had to send it to a local FFL which of course meant I had to drive to the FFL's store to fill out the form 4473, go through the background check, plus pay an additional $30 fee to the FFL. It turned out that the law has not changed since my previous purchase, Simpsons had simply originally misinterpreted Illinois law when they sold me the first two percussion revolvers the year before.
My FFL was a bit confused about having to do this on a muzzleloader until I explained that it was due to Illinois law. I don't know if this only applies to muzzleloading handguns or includes long guns also.
Having to go through all those extra steps plus having to pay an extra $30 just to satisfy a state provision that is designed not to control gun crime in any way but explicitly to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to purchase a firearm bothers the hell out of me. Illinois, being a fairly blue state, has some of the most Draconian gun laws in the country, yet its big cities tend to have the worst gun crime problems--go figure.
As for me, since the first two percussion revolvers were basically shipped to me illegally by the Illinois dealer, I keep them under extra-heavy security since they are more likely to escape from my safe and go on a heinous crime spree all on their own.
However, a year later, I purchased another from Colt 2nd gen from Simpsons and this time they had to send it to a local FFL which of course meant I had to drive to the FFL's store to fill out the form 4473, go through the background check, plus pay an additional $30 fee to the FFL. It turned out that the law has not changed since my previous purchase, Simpsons had simply originally misinterpreted Illinois law when they sold me the first two percussion revolvers the year before.
My FFL was a bit confused about having to do this on a muzzleloader until I explained that it was due to Illinois law. I don't know if this only applies to muzzleloading handguns or includes long guns also.
Having to go through all those extra steps plus having to pay an extra $30 just to satisfy a state provision that is designed not to control gun crime in any way but explicitly to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to purchase a firearm bothers the hell out of me. Illinois, being a fairly blue state, has some of the most Draconian gun laws in the country, yet its big cities tend to have the worst gun crime problems--go figure.
As for me, since the first two percussion revolvers were basically shipped to me illegally by the Illinois dealer, I keep them under extra-heavy security since they are more likely to escape from my safe and go on a heinous crime spree all on their own.
BullRunBear
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Depends on your state of residence. In Virginia I can walk into a local gun shop or Cabelas and buy a cap and ball revolver like any non-firearm purchase. (They might ask for ID to be sure you are old enough but that hasn't been a factor for me for 50 years.) I can also have C&B revolvers or any other muzzleloader from an online place like MidwayUSA or Midsouth shipped right to my door.
Jeff
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Malachi Leviticus Blue
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Bass Pro purchased Cabela's and ruined it.
Captain*kirk
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Nailed it.
Flatbush Harry
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This begs a question: Making end of life decisions, I am contemplating selling my C&B revolvers...a Ruger Old Army (3 cylinders fired, meticulously cleaned), 2 Uberti 1860 Colts (1 lightly used, meticulously cleaned, 1 fluted cylinder, unfired), 1 SS Uberti 1858 Remington (lightly used, meticulously cleaned), sets of replacement nipples for each, several boxes .452 Hornady balls, 1 box Hornady .457 balls. What is required for me to sell these as they are not classified as firearms per se.? (Mods, if this is an inappropriate post here, please move or delete.)
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230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
As of now, today, 08 October 2021.
Yet many jurisdictions nowadays include even air guns and BP muzzleloaders in the "firearms" category --or at least the general "things that throw other things and ought to be banned" category. Like even slingshots.
So think again. The so-called "Overton Window" of unacceptable objects and behaviors is constantly moving toward a complete repeal of the Second Amendment. Paranoia? Or "Situational Awarness."
Add shoulder stocks for handguns and shoelaces legally defined as machineguns* to your "Situational Awareness" mental outlook.
It is so easy to marginalize or dismiss a position by calling it paranoia, and good use of this technique is made every day.
Terry, 230RN
*Yeah, ATFABCDEF had to backtrack on a lot of things. But they keep trying to move that Overton Window.
REF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
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AlexanderA
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By the time the country in general gets around to banning C&B revolvers, I'll be long dead. Sure, there are some jurisdictions that have gone overboard in banning guns, but they're in the distinct minority.
Besides that, I don't think the trend is inevitably toward more and more bans. In fact, many so-called "liberals" are arming themselves as never before. Gun control is a losing issue for those who espouse it (look at what happened to Beto O'Rourke).
PND
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I have three BP pistols that were my fathers - two are replica's and one an original. One is an anniversary limited run of a Walker-Colt in a box with book, one is a replica Walker-Colt and the other an old 1858 Army Remington 44. I wouldn't advise firing the Remington - a bit rough, but all there and matching numbers. I want to sell them to someone that is into BP pistols but think all the rules will make it hard to do.
What burns my butt is that my state (Washington) now classifies my M1 Garand as an "assault rifle" only because it is a "semi-automatic". Recently had trouble getting more clips for it and was told they couldn't send to my address because of law restricting capacity. Had to actually send them a copy stating the limit was 10 rounds. Pointed out that the M1 clip only holds 8.
I got my clips!
What burns my butt is that my state (Washington) now classifies my M1 Garand as an "assault rifle" only because it is a "semi-automatic". Recently had trouble getting more clips for it and was told they couldn't send to my address because of law restricting capacity. Had to actually send them a copy stating the limit was 10 rounds. Pointed out that the M1 clip only holds 8.
I got my clips!
gtrgy888
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I agree. The whole reason there is a run on blackpowder in the first place is that modern guns have all been bought by some strange new owners who support revolution, until it targets their suburb too. Last year showed that BLM will indiscriminately engage in friendly fire, so it seems that the days of voting badly and escaping the consequences are over. I expect the 2nd amendment is good and safe, even if no one can find a weapon or ammo to actually bear at the moment.
Blackpowderwarrior
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Nothing is required just put them for sale in Blackpowder sales forum here on THR
C Younger
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In Oregon (where I live unfortunately), Gun dealers don’t have to complete a background to sell antique firearms. This exemption, however, doesn’t exist for private party sales of antiques. If I sell a cap and ball revolver to a friend, I’m supposed to go through a gun dealer.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Standard tactics are to put as many major and minor choke points in the way of keeping and bearing arms as possible.
One of the major things, which usually affect firearms use in all States is to declare vast areas as monuments, parks, preserves, primitive areas, et cetera --where firearms use is restricted. (And this goes for individual States doing the same thing on a State level.) This is one that especially bothers me.
Another ploy, to my mind, is declaring sub speces of a game animal as either "endangered" or "a candidate for the endangered species list" so that hunters are confused about what's legal game. That happened with prairie dogs.
Yet another is to limit or restrict activities in a small proportion of gun users, where most gun owners would think, well, that doesn't affect me, so sure, OK, why not? Several things have occurred (nonresident concealed carry licenses in Colorado) or are in the works (age restrictions on firearms use) that Joe Average wouldn't care about that have or would affect me personally, but do you care?
"First they came for the Gypsies, but I was not a Gypsy, so I did nothing...."
Remember that one?
Then they came for the bump fire stocks, but I thought they were ridiculous, so I said nothing.
Be alert to choke points, people.
Terry, 230RN
REF:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists
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AlexanderA, Good morning. I have seen this in my neighborhood and also where I work. Professed liberals who have guns and when asked what they would do if they were forced at some point, to give them up, most merely laughed and said in defiance,...good luck taking my guns away!?! It's nice to know that their are liberal minded people who do enjoy their second amendment rights.
Just a personal thought. Thank you, Tim- Status
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