ballman6711
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Thanks for all the replies, I'll make it work or get a new gun just for this powder.
chris
chris
Ooohh you HAD to mention that. . Well allow me to be the first to suggest a gun just for IMR 4227: a Krag. The .30US and 4227 are a beautiful team. 20gr under a 173gr cast GC spire point in a full infantry rifle gets better than 1800fps and is plenty good for any critter you’d care to fricassee out to 200yds. The 7.65Argie with a heavy 210gr GC lead flat nose is a lot of fun with 22-24gr of 4227 and I’ve seen Argie Mausers recently for reasonable money.Thanks for all the replies, I'll make it work or get a new gun just for this powder.
chris
4227 and IMR 4227 are historically different powders.I've tried it in .30 Carbine, 300 Blackout, .44 Mag and cast bullets in various HP rifle rounds.
It works OK in lots of stuff, but I've always had other powders that worked better.
I think it's best as a "collector powder".
Look on past threads asking about the oldest can of powder people have and 4227 comes up a LOT.
Don't be an enabler, LOL!
I'll check into those tomorrow, but she may not like it.
chris
Tried some in my 10" revolver , still had unburned powder.
I was at the lgs today and picked up two pounds of Accurate 2200 and one pound of IMR 4227 with the intention of trying them out in my .223 AR.
Well, I must have looked at the wrong thing (or maybe too many things) because the 4227 won't work for my rifle.
So what calibers doe's everyone use it in? Not looking for load data, just wonder if I can use it in something or if I should trade it off.
Thanks,
chris
Do you powder coat your cast .223 bullets?Yep. I cast the Lee 55gn for my AR and 12.7 grains of IMR4227 cycles reliable at 2180fps. I also use a lot of 4227 in 500 Mag.
Do you powder coat your cast .223 bullets?
Thanks for all the replies, I'll make it work or get a new gun just for this powder.
chris
I’m not advocating nor discouraging this, but Lee #1 lists IMR 4227 for use in .223 Rem with 40, 45, 50 and 55 gr fmj bullets. https://archive.org/details/Modern_Reloading_1st_Edition_by_Richard_LeeI was at the lgs today and picked up two pounds of Accurate 2200 and one pound of IMR 4227 with the intention of trying them out in my .223 AR.
Well, I must have looked at the wrong thing (or maybe too many things) because the 4227 won't work for my rifle.
So what calibers doe's everyone use it in? Not looking for load data, just wonder if I can use it in something or if I should trade it off.
Thanks,
chris
Knowing where to look seems to be the entire battle most times. The older manuals are a treasure trove of good loads for hard times.I’m not advocating nor discouraging this, but Lee #1 lists IMR 4227 for use in .223 Rem with 40, 45, 50 and 55 gr fmj bullets. https://archive.org/details/Modern_Reloading_1st_Edition_by_Richard_Lee
Those may be loads for a bolt action, and may not cycle the action of an AR, but it’s somewhere to start.
If you do try it, report back and let us know how it went.
***Edit. Those loads are also listed in the IMR Powder 2001 manual.
https://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/RM/IMR/IMR01.pdf
I'm dying to see a head to head with turned and trued vs not. This is deep in the weeds where the the big bucks hide.I PC and use a check. Recently I've started to experiment to shrink the groups. Talking to a friend who is very into aerodynamics, he claims that the base being trued up will improve the bullet's flight. Even though the base of the check looks pretty true, I made a delrin collet for my mini lathe and cut a couple that were nearly perfect to begin with and was quite surprised to discover how un-flat they actually were. Haven't been back to the range yet but hoping to get out this week and test some.
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That's the spirit! I got into 32 auto the same way. I bought a set of dies at a garage sale and didn't have a firearm chambered in that caliber so I picked one up the next week. I now have four that I reload for.
4227 and IMR 4227 are historically different powders.
I was at the lgs today and picked up two pounds of Accurate 2200 and one pound of IMR 4227 with the intention of trying them out in my .223 AR.
Well, I must have looked at the wrong thing (or maybe too many things) because the 4227 won't work for my rifle.
So what calibers doe's everyone use it in? Not looking for load data, just wonder if I can use it in something or if I should trade it off.
Thanks,
chris
Why confuse the issue with the meaning of words (historically)? The powders used to be different, so be cautious with the age of powders and any assumptions.......and they are historically the same powder. Back when there were both 4227s, (H4227 and IMR4227) they were diffferent, tho only slightly. Hodgdon instructed folks not to interchange charge rates. Few years back Hodgdon discontinued the brand of H4227, and renamed that powder formulation IMR4227. They also discontinued the old formulation for IMR4227. They now claim you can interchange the old H4227 recipes for the new IMR4227 formulation. I believe the powders must have been close enough to start with that the old IMR4227 can be also loaded with H4227 recipes.
Why confuse the issue with the meaning of words? The powders used to be different, so be cautious with the age of powders and any assumptions.
Having read the above posts I decided to call Hodgdon and ask if the data for IMR4227 and H4227 are interchangeable. I spoke with a guy named Curtis, and he confirmed that the data is interchangeable.
(913) 362-9455 if anyone would care to confirm for themselves.
There are 55 grain loads for #9I’ve actually been wondering if IMR 4227 will cycle the action of my AR with 55 gr bullets for a while now. I had planned to work up some loads today, but as always, something came up. I’m off work tomorrow, and it’s supposed to rain, so it would be a good time to try it. I’ll report my findings back for posterity.
Edit… if I have time I may try 2400 as well. Lee has loads for that powder too.
.One web site that I recently viewed listed IMR4227 as the best powder for the Sierra 150 grain SP but I can't locate it just now. But that was for a 300AAC. I Will keep searching for the site - they may have some data on the 5.56/223. If I can find it I'll post it.I was at the lgs today and picked up two pounds of Accurate 2200 and one pound of IMR 4227 with the intention of trying them out in my .223 AR.
Well, I must have looked at the wrong thing (or maybe too many things) because the 4227 won't work for my rifle.
So what calibers doe's everyone use it in? Not looking for load data, just wonder if I can use it in something or if I should trade it off.
Thanks,
chris