Smith and Wesson 617 first range trip report

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took the 617 out for the first time. i had run a bore snake down the bore and the chambers and oiled the gun. i took the grips off and wiped down what i could access from the grip.

first things first, the double action was heavy (expected) and of course i never dry fired the gun before. single action was light. i kept a lot of my spent 22s to use as snap caps.

no complaints about accuracy, i need more practice with it. i think the sights were centered such that i didn't bother adjusting them yet. i used cci 40 grain, federal automatch and federal bulk 36 grain.

no problems with extraction which is what i was worried about.

BIG PROBLEM is light primer strikes with double action. i made sure that all the cartridges are fully pressed down with my finger before closing the cylinder. it happened quite often 1-4 per cylinder even with CCI. i usually have good results with the ammo i brought and used my ruger mark II for comparison after so many failures to fire and had no FTF at all. the ammo that didn't fire would fire after being rotated and sometimes after being hit in the same place. the dent from the primer strike is also sometimes more shallow. i tried doing a couple of cylinders of pure single action and had no failure to fire. this was when every cylinder in double action would have FTF. i had no way of knowing if these were from the same chamber but the number of FTF was variable

i took off the grips and made sure the set screw was maxed out and it already was. still same problem.

any suggestions to try before talking to the manufacturer? is there a reason why the problem so far is only noticeable with DA.

a rather disappointing first trip. would rather have had some extraction problems that could be solved by polishing the chambers.
 
BIG PROBLEM is light primer strikes with double action.

Mine did the same brand new. I sent it back and it came back working with a note that said "replaced yolk". Lol. Works now. Bought it around may last year
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It failed a round per cylinder. Different chamber every time. Sometimes 2 or 3. Da and sa
 
If you haven’t. Take a Toothpick and clean all the cylinder chamber mouths…. Where the 22 Lr rim goes. That can cause the issue.

I’ve had a issue like yours in my 63, a older one. Couldn’t do anything to resolve it- even replace springs…. Sold it.

My 617 no dash has been a Great revolver with no issues.

What dash is yours? Barrel length? Details man , details.
 
I just bought it new last Friday. also noted this. there's lead build up on the left side of the forcing cone and the top strap but not so much on the right side.
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If you haven’t. Take a Toothpick and clean all the cylinder chamber mouths…. Where the 22 Lr rim goes. That can cause the issue.

I’ve had a issue like yours in my 63, a older one. Couldn’t do anything to resolve it- even replace springs…. Sold it.

My 617 no dash has been a Great revolver with no issues.

What dash is yours? Barrel length? Details man , details.

617-6 bought new 2 days ago
 
There is the problem… Ya got ten holes instead of 6
Just kidding.



Was this just prior to going shooting?

Brand new gun? If so… Wow, This is from a gun company that has been around since 1800s.

Glad all mine are old Pre Lock.
 
It's really not uncommon in these new. When mine done the same a quick Google search found several just like it. The Ruger is known for the same thing. Luckily my Ruger didn't do it. Id have been irritated to go 0 for 2 on my 800 dollar 10 shot rimfire guns. Especially since my 50 dollar 9 shot H and R works well. The picture I posted was 5 brands of ammo. I sent a print out of it with the gun. The note I got back from Smith said "replaced yolk" but the main spring, cylinder, and strain screw were new as well.

They paid all shipping and had the gun back in a couple weeks. I had a thread on it back then
 
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also noted this. there's lead build up on the left side of the forcing cone and the top strap but not so much on the right side.

While mine did have the other issue, it didn't shave lead like that. Before nor after the repair. Must be a bit out of time too. Either way is send it back. They will make it right
 
took the 617 out for the first time. i had run a bore snake down the bore and the chambers and oiled the gun. i took the grips off and wiped down what i could access from the grip.

first things first, the double action was heavy (expected) and of course i never dry fired the gun before. single action was light. i kept a lot of my spent 22s to use as snap caps.

no complaints about accuracy, i need more practice with it. i think the sights were centered such that i didn't bother adjusting them yet. i used cci 40 grain, federal automatch and federal bulk 36 grain.

no problems with extraction which is what i was worried about.

BIG PROBLEM is light primer strikes with double action. i made sure that all the cartridges are fully pressed down with my finger before closing the cylinder. it happened quite often 1-4 per cylinder even with CCI. i usually have good results with the ammo i brought and used my ruger mark II for comparison after so many failures to fire and had no FTF at all. the ammo that didn't fire would fire after being rotated and sometimes after being hit in the same place. the dent from the primer strike is also sometimes more shallow. i tried doing a couple of cylinders of pure single action and had no failure to fire. this was when every cylinder in double action would have FTF. i had no way of knowing if these were from the same chamber but the number of FTF was variable

i took off the grips and made sure the set screw was maxed out and it already was. still same problem.

any suggestions to try before talking to the manufacturer? is there a reason why the problem so far is only noticeable with DA.

a rather disappointing first trip. would rather have had some extraction problems that could be solved by polishing the chambers.


Roval: back in the summer, i bought a 617 and i was having the exact same problem - there's a thread on here somewhere about it.

what i found out on that gun was that i was causing the problem. when firing DA i was not letting the trigger return all the way to zero. when i paid attention to this, i found i got no failures at all as long as i took my finger off the trigger between each shot. i think that an adjustment of the trigger might have solved the problem, but i didn't enjoy shooting it because i couldn't hit anything with it, so i traded it on a kimber.

YMMV.

ps: mine was not shaving lead.
 
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i found 9 brass with double strikes, so those were the initial duds with some one strike brass that obviously fired. 20211212_194446_copy_3024x1701.jpg 20211212_194453.jpg
 
Send it in to S&W in my opinion. In addition to your noted light strikes, you also have a timing issue as seen on at least two and possibly three cylinder chambers shown in your second and third photos in post#9.
 
Factory shouldn’t have let it leave…. They should put a cylinder of green tag Cci thru it 1st. Each revolver!
 
Looks like the ones I pictured in mine. The strikes actually look deep enough. Just like mine. But after the repair I've fired several thousand rounds with no issues. Da, sa. No matter. It works now.
 
Looks like bad ammo to me. I don’t see any obvious light strikes on that brass.

if you look at mine at the top it looks the same. I almost think the strike is too far to the outside. The little round firing pin doesn't work like the typical square firing pin and has to hit farther down on the round. All 5 rounds in my picture are still live. Mine was plenty deep too. But it never made a cylinder when it was new and after they changed the yolk and cylinder is been flawless

The cylinder gap was super tight before and after the repair. Trigger didn't change any either. Pretty heavy da. But not crazy either. I knew they changed the cylinder even though they didn't mention it because mine had an ugly manufacturing defect before I sent it. Was gone when it came back
 
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Looks like bad ammo to me. I don’t see any obvious light strikes on that brass.
i don't think so. i shot only a few cylinders of cci and those had some ftf and then switched to automatch and federal bulk. also when every cylinder was having 2-4 FTFs. i switched to my ruger semi auto and had no ftfs and not when i then shot 2 cylinders of SA with the same ammo.
 
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if you look at mine at the top it looks the same. I almost think the strike is too far to the outside. The little round firing pin doesn't work like the typical square firing pin and has to hit farther down on the round. All 5 rounds in my picture are still live. Mine was plenty deep too. But it never made a cylinder when it was new and after they changed the yolk and cylinder is been flawless

The cylinder gap was super tight before and after the repair. Trigger didn't change any either. Pretty heavy da. But not crazy either

The strikes do look pretty close the edge of the rim.
 
bugs me to to have to send back a new gun. i hope turnaround isn't too long. i was so excited for the gun "the cadillac of 22lr revolvers, the best 22 lr revolver etc, etc.." in spite of the heavy DA trigger, when working, I do shoot it better than the ruger single ten i traded in.
 
So, the yoke adjustment or timing adjustment would slightly reposition the cylinder to line up the firing pin further inward from the rim? (I never had a rimfire revolver)
 
The strikes do look pretty close the edge of the rim.

That's all I could think of. May be wrong though. But my strikes are actually pretty deep. And they would happen in SA. So I know the cylinder was latched in place. I was checking each time. I even numbered my chambers to see if it was the same ones. Lol

To the op, yours could be letting the hammer go before the cylinder is stopped. Especially with the obvious out of time issue. The strikes don't really look like the firing pin is hitting a moving round though.

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My cylinder looked far worse than yours. Clearly nobody even glanced at it before it left the factory. That defect is deep. And it's how I know they changed the cylinder even though they didn't say so.

There was no communicating with Smith either. No "we received your gun" no "we shipped your gun back". I simply got a tracking number from fed ex

But turnaround was quick and most importantly the gun is right now. Several thousand rounds and no issues
 
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Roval: back in the summer, i bought a 617 and i was having the exact same problem - there's a thread on here somewhere about it.

what i found out on that gun was that i was causing the problem. when firing DA i was not letting the trigger return all the way to zero. when i paid attention to this, i found i got no failures at all as long as i took my finger off the trigger between each shot. i think that an adjustment of the trigger might have solved the problem, but i didn't enjoy shooting it because i couldn't hit anything with it, so i traded it on a kimber.

YMMV.

ps: mine was not shaving lead.

i will try to bring it to the range in a couple of days with full release of the trigger but i shoot it the same way with my 586, 29, 19 and gp100.
 
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