Why DON'T you reload......

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I reload, but only in one caliber. 35Remington. At the price those rounds go for right now (if you can find them) will drive someone to reload. I plan to expand reloading into more calibers when components are available again.
 
About 1965 I discoved I liked shooting my Dad's handguns but didn't have enough money to buy all the ammo I wanted to shoot... High School kid no job and got $3.00 week if I mowed the lawn for my Dad .
Read about the Lee Loader ...$9.95 and a plastic mallet would let you reload all them empty cases I had been saving ... So I show the article to my Dad and tell him " Dad if you lend me 10 dollars I can buy this tool and reload all our ammo ... " He looked at me like his first born son had Lost his mind ... then say's why would you want to do that ... they sell all the ammo you want down at the store ... " So I come back with the classic line ... " Think of All the Money I can Save You !!! " and he fell for it ...
Gary
Why I reload is similar to gwpercle's story. I was a 1stLt in the USAF back in 1960's with a spouse and child living on the economy in the Washington DC area so money had to be prioritzed. I caught the 45 ACP bug from a Sgt I worked with but the cost of ammo was a problem. So I bought the Lee Loader and loaded 100's of rounds until I became a 2ndLt and was "flush with cash" and could buy 45ACP ammo. BTW I sold that Lee Loader last year for $58 on eBay.
As time went on I shot less often and just bought my ammo as needed...then I retired and started shooting much mor often, and bought more firearms (pistols and rifles) and the cost to reload (at that time) justified my buying a used Dillon 550 and the simplest of scales and dies. Now, I have retired for good and have enough money to buy all he ammo I want EXCEPT -
1. I came from a frugal family background and 'a penny saved is a penny earned' and
2. I live in CALIFORNIA where to buy a single 50 round box of 22lr requires a real id and two (maybe it is now three) forms that the California govement keeps on file.
3. Presently CALIFORNIA does NOT track purchases of bullets, primers, powder or brass.
However I have several shooting friends that don't shoot that much so they buy (when they can find it) and one who decided he wanted all his firearms (rifles and pistols to shoot the same caliber (9mm) and 22lr so also just buys his ammo in bulk..
 
Ive been loading on a pretty much a weekly basis since the late 60's. Started in my parents house in jr high school with a Lee Loader and as soon as I could, got a real press. Im still using on a weekly basis the Rock Chucker my wife gave me in the early 70's while we were going out. Loaded in our 1 BR apartment after we got married with things mounted on 2x4's and 2x6's, clamped to a coffee table, found a corner somewhere in each of the houses we lived in as the kids were growing up, and just kept plugging along after they moved out.

I couldnt begin to tell you how many rounds Ive loaded in that time, but its a bit more than a good bit. For the past decade or so, Ive normally loaded around 20-25K of just 9mm a year, as that's what I shoot the most of these days, but I also load a lot of 5.56, 38, 357, 45acp, and a few others.

One thing I think is probably the most important is, Ive yet to be out of ammo, even when things are/were very tight, and Ive always shot all along, when most others are crying they cant find any ammo anywhere. I shoot two to three times a week and have all along, good times and bad. Buy in bulk all along, especially when things are good, and just keep stocking up best as you can as you go.

I think reloading is just one of those things, that if you like to shoot a lot, and do, you see the plus side to it and are willing to get into it. I load a lot, and shoot a lot, but Im not really saving a lot of money, I just shoot a LOT more for the money. :)

Of course, there are times, or at least have been in the past, where it was actually cheaper to just buy surplus ammo than it was to buy just the componenets, and thats what I did too, and will do again if I ever see it. Dont see much of that these days though, and Im suspecting we wont see much of it again, unless something really dramatic happens, but, you can always hope.

Of course, money isnt the only thing here. Ammo is something a lot of people dont take into consideration when it comes to accuracy. They seem to think its all the gun, when in fact, the right load, can make the difference with a good gun, between shooting ragged bugholes, and groups measured in inches, just by swapping the ammo.

As far as "time" doing it goes, time is what you make of it, and it all depends on what you do and how you handle your time. I prep and load what I shoot during the week at my leisure. You dont have to do it all at once, just a little each day or so. Tumble the day you shoot, maybe size/expand things the next day, prime another, load the next. Only takes an hour or less each stage and its all loaded and back in the queue in short order. And thats just with a single stage press.
 
With what bullets cost for reloading, the real savings is in casting. So, why don't you cast your own bullets?

In all seriousness, if you don't want to do it, reloading isn't financially rewarding enough to justify the time sunk into something you don't want to do. But with that understanding comes the acknowledgment that you are choosing to pay several times the $/round a reloader does. Because you want to.
 
308 in 25 seconds! and will shoot better than any factory loads because it fire form to your rifle chamber!!!! OOOH YEAH

 
I used to reload. I don't anymore. I did not find the savings in dollars to be worth the amount of time spent reloading.
 
Everyone who bought Dillion 750’s during the cazy times of 2020 and not planning to reload. We do have a “Buy Sell Trade section
 
Why I reload is similar to gwpercle's story. I was a 1stLt in the USAF back in 1960's with a spouse and child living on the economy in the Washington DC area so money had to be prioritzed. I caught the 45 ACP bug from a Sgt I worked with but the cost of ammo was a problem. So I bought the Lee Loader and loaded 100's of rounds until I became a 2ndLt and was "flush with cash" and could buy 45ACP ammo. BTW I sold that Lee Loader last year for $58 on eBay.
As time went on I shot less often and just bought my ammo as needed...then I retired and started shooting much mor often, and bought more firearms (pistols and rifles) and the cost to reload (at that time) justified my buying a used Dillon 550 and the simplest of scales and dies. Now, I have retired for good and have enough money to buy all he ammo I want EXCEPT -
1. I came from a frugal family background and 'a penny saved is a penny earned' and
2. I live in CALIFORNIA where to buy a single 50 round box of 22lr requires a real id and two (maybe it is now three) forms that the California govement keeps on file.
3. Presently CALIFORNIA does NOT track purchases of bullets, primers, powder or brass.
However I have several shooting friends that don't shoot that much so they buy (when they can find it) and one who decided he wanted all his firearms (rifles and pistols to shoot the same caliber (9mm) and 22lr so also just buys his ammo in bulk..

When I was in the Air Force in the 70's 0-1 was a Second Lt. and you got promoted to First Lt. O-2. Did you get busted back to second Lt. from 1st Lt? Disclaimer...I had to look up the rank to make sure I remembered it right! :)
 
Also, I don’t try to convince people to reload. Don’t tell them the benefits and the relative safety of reloading. If they want to… I’m all help, but they need to take the 1st step and buy gear

I think I have said.....You know you really should reload.....one time. And that was to a guy that bought his first garand and learned that all 3006 is not quite the same after replacing some parts.

The conversation went along the lines, well what are you shooting, this....that is just too fast, his rod just busted in two (lets hope the mods or snowflakes don't find that in the same line as my sticky tool thread) He was running under the well old part just busted, no.....wrong pressures, and pressure curves busted it. Different powder have different traits....

And we went down that road. And to tell the truth I am not sure it is a good thing, this is the same guy that thinks max loads are the only way to go.
 
I don't reload because it does not seem like it would be something I would enjoy and would take time away from things that I do enjoy.

I have tried reloading. I probably have way too much ADHD to be a good reloader. Instead of making hog hunting videos, I would be making gun kaboom videos.


I am glad that this came up, on this forum we can't talk about "off gun topic issues" some of us have.

I am diagnosed ADHD at the age of 45, I also have dyslexia so bad it has taken me 5 tries to dial a phone number. I have this bad.

One of the things people don't know in general is the ability of people with ADHD to hyper focus on a given activity. There is no telling what that activity is. The other side of that coin is you just can't force yourself to be interested in something that just.....does not trip your trigger. Stick having letters and numbers actually move around on you is a sure fire way to loose a hand in reloading, there is a huge difference between 36 grains and 63 grains, and that is a perfect example on how my brain works.

I think I lined up my reloading process before, I weigh everything, and check everything at many different steps along the way. I never wright down a load I always go off a highlighted area off the manual. I know I have a very good chance of putting any numbers down.

Reloading is one of those areas that just slow me down. It is something that happens to "trip my trigger" will it be for you....who knows till you start down the rabbit hole, but don't let that stop you.

ADHD also brings to the party the quick loss of interest in a given subject, in dealing with guns, this will lead you to 3 large over flowing gun safes and your wife saying NO WE ARE NOT GETTING ANOTHER ONE, WHERE WOULD YOU PUT IT. I have a Savage 99 because I got finished with working up loads for the Remington 8, and the 8 replaced the Carcano, and the carcano replaced the lever Marlin, and that replaced the springfield, and that replaced.....
see the pattern here. These "old guns" to me just fade from interest. I don't want to sell them off as it is not uncommon for me to get a burr under my saddle and revisit them again and start from base one. Just the way I am wired. I also get bored with different "gun games" CMP got old and I started using all kinds of different guns....hay ever try a trapdoor at a cmp match, it is really fun and yes you can finish....but even that gets old and I am off to PPC, or who knows what.

Just wanted to say don't let this stop you from trying something you might find very enjoyable. And it can also help "calm your brain" it just slows me down.

I really hope the mods don't kill this post off, but I have little hope of that.....just incase you see this before you do here is a link to a really good TeD talk on the subject.

If anyone else reads this that has kids/grandkids, keep this in the back of your head. In my day all little johnny needed was a couple licks on his butt and he will learn to calm down. In my kids day it was drug the living hell out of them, now there seems to be a more middle ground. Look for real medical help, and that diagnosis is a huge help to those with the issue, not knowing why you act this way is a big strain on you. Just knowing you are different and there is a reason behind it helps.

 
With what bullets cost for reloading, the real savings is in casting. So, why don't you cast your own bullets?

In all seriousness, if you don't want to do it, reloading isn't financially rewarding enough to justify the time sunk into something you don't want to do. But with that understanding comes the acknowledgment that you are choosing to pay several times the $/round a reloader does. Because you want to.

Fantastic question, and the answer to that for me is along the lines of what people say about reloading in general. Just not worth it for me.

Missouri bullet is roughly 10min from my house, so for me it is just so easy to walk in there and get whatever I need.

I even use to do the "range clean up day" at the club and collected the brass and lead from the range, the people that did the clean up got first crack at it, and that is why everyone that did it.....did it, but me. Why do you do this, well I hate to mow, paint, dump trash, so this is the one thing I don't mind doing that I can for the club.

Like I said at the start there is no "wrong" answer. Just interested.
 
Re loading components have gone up just as much as factory loaded ammo. I do hand load for certain rounds, but I don't do it to save money. I can load ammo that performs a little better than factory for about the same price.

For other rounds like 223 and 9mm I can still buy it cheaper than I can load it.
 
Re loading components have gone up just as much as factory loaded ammo. I do hand load for certain rounds, but I don't do it to save money. I can load ammo that performs a little better than factory for about the same price.

For other rounds like 223 and 9mm I can still buy it cheaper than I can load it.

You can also fall in the middle. I reload some 9mm and some 223, but not all of it. For plinking I don't shoot my 223 reloads, but if I am playing a game and I want to do the best I can I will. Same with 9, I told the story about bowling pins, and that is why I started loading 9. To get that more heavy bullet moving a tick slower to really slam into the pin and hopefully knock it off the table.
 
Ive heard others say they can buy factory for cheaper than they can load it, but generally, I havent found that to be the case, except for that period back in the 90's, when the surplus stuff, and some of the commercial stuff from China and a few others, really was dirt cheap. No point in reloading something like 9mm, when you can buy it for $125/2000 round case or 7.62x51 for around $150/1000, etc. But we havent seen those prices, or even a price adjusted comparable, for over 20 years.

Not saying you dont come across the occasional deal here and there (and dont forget shipping ;)), but I think from a continuous standpoint, reloading is going to be the cheaper route.

Either way, I buy in bulk, ammo or components, and thats really the only way youre going to save money, as those prices tend to carry over across time. Up until just the past five or six months or so, I was still loading 9mm for about $6-6.50 a box of 50. Even with the increased cost now of powder and primers, Im still finding Im ahead.
 
Most people who get into it do it for the savings. Then they realize it costs more to reload if you factor in your time.
If you're retired, need a hobby, or do it just because it makes you happy, more power to you.
But I think most people who choose not to reload have likely made a pretty smart decision.
 
Most people who get into it do it for the savings. Then they realize it costs more to reload if you factor in your time.
If you're retired, need a hobby, or do it just because it makes you happy, more power to you.
But I think most people who choose not to reload have likely made a pretty smart decision.
that’s why I say Reloading is a lifestyle of being self reliant, OCD, craftsmanship, a bit of nerdy ness, and being in a club that everyone welcome, but you gotta put in the work
 
Most people who get into it do it for the savings. Then they realize it costs more to reload if you factor in your time.
If you're retired, need a hobby, or do it just because it makes you happy, more power to you.
But I think most people who choose not to reload have likely made a pretty smart decision.
The time thing is what it is. Yea, its "your time", but its also really not that big a deal unless you want to make one, or you truly dont have any time. I used to work 10-14 hour days, 5-6 days a week, for 2/3's of the year, and still normally loaded 300-500 rounds of 9mm every week, along with other stuff. And that's on a single stage press. And I still got all my chores and other stuff done as well. So, time is what it is and how you manage it. I think its like anything else too, it depends on how bad you want something and are willing to achieve it.

I understand the time thing from a standpoint of bumping up the price equation, but what you still cant get around is, if I only have XX amount of money for ammo, I can still load more ammo with that money, and often better ammo, than I could just buy ammo from a store or online for the same amount. So I think the time thing kind of evens out. Even if I were to break even price wise, Im still shooting more too.
 
I started reloading 40 yrs ago. Some say they don't save any money reloading, they just shoot more. This is true on the surface but you need to look at it realistically. You are actually saving money as long as you don't spend it on clothes and new boobs for the wife. Here is the math for me. For example, I can load 45 ACP for 10-12 cents a round. 8-10 cents for primer at todays prices and 2.2 cents for powder per round. Bullet cost, $0. I send son and grandson to range for 50 lbs of range scrap (will make 1500 230 rn). Maybe 1 hour time. Melt into ingots, maybe 2 hours. Cast 1500 rnds with 6 cavity mold, 2 hours if all goes well. Powder coat, 1 hour. Resize, 2 hours with beer beaks and honey-do's. . Reload, 2-3 hours. (progressive). So I got $6 a box or $180/1500. Best I see on AmmoSeek is $20 a box or $180/450 or $600/1500. So for 8-11 hours of working on hobby I save $420 bucks,70% less than factory, not even counting the shipping cost if ordering ammo online. Or for $180 I can shoot 1500 rnds compared to 450 rnds commercial ammo. That is a lot of savings for the time I put in. Large rifles save even more. It would be like $42 bucks and hour for my labor . Around here that $420 is an average weeks take home pay for most. We save lots of money, we just reinvest it into more guns and ammo. But then I am retired and have time to cast bullets (biggest cost savings and biggest time cost). I never had time or any interest in casting until last year. At this time it is just part of the shooting experience. Not all have time or interest, understandable, I have no interest in cross country skiing. But if you think you might like it and have the time , give it a try, you may get hooked.
 
Why don't you cook all your own food? It's not rocket science. It's so much cheaper, and you know exactly what you are getting. Plus other reasons.

Why don't you change your own oil? It's not rocket science. It's so much cheaper and you know exactly what's going into your car. Nobody to fail to put your drain plug back - besides yourself.

Why don't you cut your own hair? It's certainly possible. Think of all the money you could save...


Outside of some atrociously bad cooking, none of these things will hospitalize or kill you if you make a mistake. Reloading most certainly can and has done these things. Maybe a bit extreme, but there is definitely a safety element that I can respect others not wanting to take chances with when it comes to reloading.
This is pretty much my stance. I reload. But I cook 99% of my food and do my own mechanic, plumbing, electrical, etc.
Basically I'm too cheap to pay someone if I can do it. Everyone gets to draw their own line in the sand.
 
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