What was George H Bush's Executive Order?

my understanding and best recollection is only 17% of the guns found in raids in Mexico come from the USA

I can assume the majority were stolen or straw-man purchases..
I dont know what GWB signed, sorry

I don't know where to find the Bush XO either.

The guns identified in those raids were selected only because they were the ones that the Mexicans thought could be identified AT ALL. They didn't even submit any guns which they reasonably believed were from Africa, China, the former Soviet Union, etc. They didn't submit the ones the already knew DIDN'T come from the U.S. .

Last Summer, according to Hillary, "Mexico's drug killings are due to American gun laws". That balloon of hers didn't float very well, but we'll still need to keep on eye on her.

George H Bush signed an executive order in 1989 banning the importation of semiautomatic rifles that had certain characteristics. That ban was the precursor to the AWB from the Clinton era. The Bushes were almost as bad for gun owners as the Clintons.

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George H Bush signed an executive order in 1989 banning the importation of semiautomatic rifles that had certain characteristics. That ban was the precursor to the AWB from the Clinton era. The Bushes were almost as bad for gun owners as the Clintons.

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Neither cabal trusts the commoners.

divemedic said:

George H Bush signed an executive order in 1989 banning the importation of semiautomatic rifles that had certain characteristics. That ban was the precursor to the AWB from the Clinton era. The Bushes were almost as bad for gun owners as the Clintons.

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GWB stated that he'd be happy to sign the AWB back into law for good, if only it could get to his desk! He was dead serious....

How do you know how serious he was? The popular consensus here is that he said it knowing it would never GET to his desk. That isn't good, but it's not as bad as an administration that actively SEEKS to make sure that it DOES make it to the president's desk to get signed.

Folks, If you're waiting for the perfect candidate, you will be waiting for a long time.

That isn't good, but it's not as bad as an administration that actively SEEKS to make sure that it DOES make it to the president's desk to get signed.

Folks, If you're waiting for the perfect candidate, you will be waiting for a long time.

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Ah yes, the very popular, "Vote for me, because at least I am not as bad as the other guy."

George

George Who?

That is the ONLY game in politics. It is ALWAYS the least worst choice.

GWB stated that he'd be happy to sign the AWB back into law for good, if only it could get to his desk! He was dead serious....

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IIRC, he also said that he didn't want it to come to his desk- kind of like playing both sides of the aisle. As much as we like to consider W a rogue who could care less about others' opinions, the AWB was one of those issues that he would have given the people (through their reps) what they wanted. At least he openly advocated for some favorable gun legislation- both as governor and president.

As bad as HW was, we could have done worse. While he wasn'ta 2A die-hard, he didn't push for a full AWB. Rather, he implemented a protectionist import revgulation (whcih some in the firearms industry supported, because it eliminated some cheap competition). HW was known to carry for personal protection and hunt. He may even have been an NRA lifer at one point.

We have gotten to a point where the argument no longer is right v. no right. We argue now about semantics and particularities (like AWBs and the like). That's favorable progress.

Golden 06

Here's some excellent background material on the "1989 Assault Weapons Scare" and President Bush's involvement in the form of his Administration's "Comprehensive Violent Crime Control Act of 1989" :

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_n8_v34/ai_7903609/

As to the US's contribution to Mexican guns, here's the Fox story on that:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/ele...-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

Basically Mexico only submitted firearms they thought could be traced to the US... and of those, most were probably government-sold ones that Mexican soldiers sold after deserting the military. Besides, if anyone knows where to find all those AKs and full automatic rifles here in the US, I would love to know where you can buy them.

Bush and Reagan hate gun owners. As far as Bush carrying and double talking about signing another AWB, he was as bad as his father. The people who defend him should provide support for their statements rather than anecdotal stories. I suspect they do that simply so they can justify voting for an anti-gun candidate.

Why should the burden of proof not fall on you?

Ok, if you think Bush and McCain were so terrible, explain how we would be better off now if Gore and Kerry had chosen the last two Supreme Court Justices.

I couldn't tell whom it was directed toward.

...as was George W...he knew it'd not make it to him...and was free to tell them he'd sign it...remember he was Governor of Texas...we take our guns seriously 'round here...he's NOT anti-gun...even though he won't go huntin' with folks named Cheney...

Ok, if you think Bush and McCain were so terrible, explain how we would be better off now if Gore and Kerry had chosen the last two Supreme Court Justices.

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Off topic, but the last supreme court justice was selected by Papa Obama!

I remember Mitt Romney supporting the AWB at first because GWB did. There's no way to avoid GWB being a hypocrite on the presidential level about the issue. That Gore would have been worse is a bad argument to excuse him. If you support a basic civil right, you are not a weasel.

Gore didn't pretend to be a gun guy at the national level. He was for a bit at as a senator before his candidacy.

If you study the issue, be very clear that the upper social class and economically motivated 'conservatives' are not friends of a populist RKBA agenda. They fear it.

During the 1880's or so, companies used the armed force of the state to try to discourage labor unions. Police and military deployed against anarchists who wanted a minimum wage or 8 hr day. Shots were fired into crowds.

Some of the labor oriented newpapers argued that if workers had machine guns, the police and companies wouldn't be so able to use armed force against legitimate issues.

Today, Goldman Sachs employees applied for pistol permits to protect against a populist uprising.

Many gun folks are hoodwinked by the Bushies, Romneys, etc. who just spout off on gun issues. Bush in TX, needed the issue to win - but in the WH was at best tepid on the issue. You can't say he was proactive.

It's a class issue also - yes, you can rant about liberals being antigun - but remember there's more to it. Bob Dole, Nixon - gun haters. Hubert Humphery - support of the 2nd.

Way too much politics...