California Ammo Restriction Law

Fingerprinting to purchase ammunition? If thats accurate, I rest my case that the 2nd Amendment is no longer a right, I would certainly never live in such a totalitarian state where illegal/aliens & every form of debauchery are considered moral imperatives.
You should "move away" before they decide that thats no longer a right either!

Takes effect Feb 2011.

check out www.calguns.net

Criminals in California are required to drive special cars that have engines that freeze up and stop if driven over a state line, into say... Arizona.

Because of this, and the new statutes, we can expect a substantial reduction in gun-related crime in that most liberal of all states...

Fortunately those that load their own ammunition can't go over to a nearby state that allows unrestricted purchase of components.

I would suggest that those that live in California (which is something I would never, ever do) purchase a handloading set-up and a supply of components while they still can.

California's legislators (not to mention the Governor and Attorney General) are so retarded that one can't predict what they will do next...

But it will be something stupid... :banghead:

The record keeping was dropped at the federal level almost 25 years ago.

The law applies to handgun ammunition and some say you will not be able to mail order components like bullets, powder, primers. For sure no mail order of hand gun ammunition.

I've had several posts of mine regarding California censored by the mods in the past around here, usually just because they were true, but the truth is the truth is the truth, California has descended into a statist abyss and it's not ever going to emerge from it!

The law applies to handgun ammunition and some say you will not be able to mail order components like bullets, powder, primers. For sure no mail order of hand gun ammunition.

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Until we get it properly challenged in court.

Components of ammo are not affected - see the Calguns Foundation Wiki.

this is what happens when you allow foreign citizens to become elected law making officials in your country. this is what happens when you let morons who can barely pronounce "hi", "cat", "dog", "doggy" make laws. this is what happens when you let morons with an agenda make laws.

I can pronounce 'donkey' just fine.

Living here is California is frustrating. It had the potential to be the greatest place on earth and now we are bankrupt and have so many stupid laws especially for firarms. Add the "Dumbanator" and a bunch of wothless liberal legislators and you have a disaster. The only good thing is living in Southern California is being able to shoot as much as I want on my property.

I'm curious, what will happen to IPSC & IDPA-style competitions?

If... When....? You have to do that now. Ammunition purchased in Los Angeles county you have to give a thumb print. Picked up a new handgun the other week and watched 4 guys basically get run through a background check so that they could leave with some range ammo. Never move to California BELIEVE ME.

lol fingerprinting for ammo is supposed to stop crime?

It doesn't take a genius to see that will never work. Gangs and such can keep a few of their guys "clean" so they can do all the purchasing legwork. Ammo still ends up in the wrong hands. It's like the laws regarding purchase of pistol caliber ammo by people under 21. They can't purchase it but are not barred from possession. What that's supposed to stop is beyond me. If a youngster who couldn't buy a handgun but was able to buy a long gun, that's supposed to be less devastating if they use it for illegal and violent purposes? Last I checked, rifle rounds vastly overpower the popular handgun cartridges. The idea that a handgun can be concealed easier is a lame excuse. Trenchcoats are not banned and you can wear one in 90 degree weather if you wanted. When I was in HS/MS there were a group who did just that, we called them trenchcoat kids. You could sling the rifle or shotgun over your shoulder, put on your coat, and sneak that into wherever you were going.

Gun laws and related legislature make one way of doing things an illegal way. Nevermind that there are 100+ other ways to get around it and not raise any red flags. That's because the people who are writing these things have NO IDEA what they're talking about and won't take the time to research or learn on their own. Whatever their narrow-minded selves can think of is all that anyone could ever imagine, right?

What we all plan to do is buy 1,000-10,000 rounds of our favorite flavors of handgun ammunition before Feb 2011 and even some we don't shoot (just in case) and buy "one box per day" as needed.

In reality I think the law is just another way to collect a tax since it requires dealers to pay for another permit. It takes only one bullet to kill someone, let alone 50. If someone really wanted to build up an arsenal they could just buy one box per day and be completely within the letter of the law. Basically the yearly maximum one will be able to buy is ~18,000 bullets, more than what most people shoot in a year .

Unless I'm mistaken and a last minute amendment was thrown in, the new law doesn't affect Rifle ammo which is what I personally consume the most of.

It does not apply to handloading components.
It applies to complete live handgun ammunition.
Components do not require a fingerprint, and they can also still be purchased online and shipped directly to buyers.



As for completed handgun ammo, it also goes beyond just fingerprinting, internet sales directly to a buyer I believe are prohibited. This means no more good deals on out of state ammunition. It also means many companies, especially those that specialize in internet ammo sales just lost a large market in a state with almost 40 million people.
Places like Double Tap, Buffalo Bore, Black Hills etc lost millions of potential customers.
People using less common calibers will no longer be able to order them online. (Can probably still have an FFL order them for you, but they may have a mark-up or charge a fee for doing so.)

It seems like a great case of interfering in interstate commerce, where the feds could come in and say this practice is illegal. But they only use that power against us, not for us.

What we all plan to do is buy 1,000-10,000 rounds of our favorite flavors of handgun ammunition before Feb 2011

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Which is causing a "panic" in handgun ammo buying in California. The result is prices stay high and availability is lower. It probably is also driving prices even higher in the rest of the nation with people stocking up on online ammo purchases before the law takes effect.

Disney world (Florida) is looking better and better.

Boycott the state until they start acting sensible.

Easy to say. Not so easy to do, or even relevant, maybe.

Like it or not, CA is usually among the top 7 or 8 economies in the world.

Also, the state contains 12.5% of the population of the entire US.

Looking at the statistics kept by the state since 1940, the state has continually grown with each passing year, regardless of any of the people who decide to leave, it seems.

The problems CA is experiencing didn't happen quickly, and I'd be surprised if the solutions were achieved any more quickly.

Then, there's the consideration that much of what its detractors seem to consider problems aren't considered problems by the majority of the population who vote, or the people they seem to continually elect to hold office.

I'd look to see cities like New York reverse course on established firearms laws before a state the size and complexity of CA does so.

Of course, this isn't the same CA in which I grew up, and I'm planning to leave it now that I'm retired at some point within the next couple of years. I'm fairly certain the only thing it will miss when I'm gone will be my tax contributions and vehicle licensing fees.

I know, I know.

I just thought I'd throw it out there since the anti's called for a boycott of AZ after a public open carry indecent.

I doubt, I could stay away from CA. I like the ocean and CA has the one closest to me.

The problems CA is experiencing didn't happen quickly, and I'd be surprised if the solutions were achieved any more quickly.

Then, there's the consideration that much of what its detractors seem to consider problems aren't considered problems by the majority of the population who vote, or the people they seem to continually elect to hold office.

I'd look to see cities like New York reverse course on established firearms laws before a state the size and complexity of CA does so.

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Actually I would say they did happen quickly in just over 10 years. Most of California's modern anti-gun laws started with the 1989 Roberti-Roos assualt weapon list, then the assault weapon by feature and expansion in the early 90s (inspiring the federal version right after), the school zone act of 1,000 feet from schools around the same time (again inspiring the now defunct federal version), magazine capacity limits passed in late 90s begining in 2000. The required approved handgun roster passed around then and took effect January first 2001.

Since then gradual additions make it worse, like .50 BMG bans, and new requirements for the approved list, microstamping requirement that may never be implemented, and now this legislation.
But for the most part most of the most anti-gun laws associated with California happened within the 90s.

Prior to that California had a waiting list and had restricted open carry back in the 60s, and unlicensed concealed carry in the 20s.
In fact California had may issue concealed carry before most of the nation. It was an anti gun thing initially, requiring a permit to do what previously required no government permission.


Since the 90s many areas of the nation have passed shall issue concealed carry and other things creating a further difference that prior did not exist.
So most of California's anti-gun legislation which it is now know for happened within the 90s. Prior to that it actually had more freedom than many regions of the nation.

SwordRapier said:

I know, I know.

I just thought I'd throw it out there since the anti's called for a boycott of AZ after a public open carry indecent.

I doubt, I could stay away from CA. I like the ocean and CA has the one closest to me.

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I notice you don't live there............

Bovice said:

lol fingerprinting for ammo is supposed to stop crime?

It doesn't take a genius to see that will never work. Gangs and such can keep a few of their guys "clean" so they can do all the purchasing legwork. Ammo still ends up in the wrong hands. It's like the laws regarding purchase of pistol caliber ammo by people under 21. They can't purchase it but are not barred from possession. What that's supposed to stop is beyond me. If a youngster who couldn't buy a handgun but was able to buy a long gun, that's supposed to be less devastating if they use it for illegal and violent purposes? Last I checked, rifle rounds vastly overpower the popular handgun cartridges. The idea that a handgun can be concealed easier is a lame excuse. Trenchcoats are not banned and you can wear one in 90 degree weather if you wanted. When I was in HS/MS there were a group who did just that, we called them trenchcoat kids. You could sling the rifle or shotgun over your shoulder, put on your coat, and sneak that into wherever you were going.

Gun laws and related legislature make one way of doing things an illegal way. Nevermind that there are 100+ other ways to get around it and not raise any red flags. That's because the people who are writing these things have NO IDEA what they're talking about and won't take the time to research or learn on their own. Whatever their narrow-minded selves can think of is all that anyone could ever imagine, right?

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Stopping crime has absolutely nothing to do with it, it's a tactic to obstruct lawful citizens from pursuing the transaction, a totalitarian tactic!

Zoogster said:

It does not apply to handloading components.
It applies to complete live handgun ammunition.
Components do not require a fingerprint, and they can also still be purchased online and shipped directly to buyers.



As for completed handgun ammo, it also goes beyond just fingerprinting, internet sales directly to a buyer I believe are prohibited. This means no more good deals on out of state ammunition. It also means many companies, especially those that specialize in internet ammo sales just lost a large market in a state with almost 40 million people.
Places like Double Tap, Buffalo Bore, Black Hills etc lost millions of potential customers.
People using less common calibers will no longer be able to order them online. (Can probably still have an FFL order them for you, but they may have a mark-up or charge a fee for doing so.)

It seems like a great case of interfering in interstate commerce, where the feds could come in and say this practice is illegal. But they only use that power against us, not for us.



Which is causing a "panic" in handgun ammo buying in California. The result is prices stay high and availability is lower. It probably is also driving prices even higher in the rest of the nation with people stocking up on online ammo purchases before the law takes effect.

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Won't this affect interstate commerce? Not too sure but mabey it could be challenged in court on that basis. Ammo may still be availible but it bars companies from making a profit through internet sales.
Just a wild idea....probably wouldn't work.
Glad i transfered the hell out of that state. It can slide off into the ocean for all i care now.

The problems CA is experiencing didn't happen quickly, and I'd be surprised if the solutions were achieved any more quickly.

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Actually I would say they did happen quickly in just over 10 years. Most of California's modern anti-gun laws started ...

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I wasn't referring just to the limited spectrum of firearms laws, but to the greater scope of issues facing the state which impact a far greater number of people every day. Things like infrastructure, spending, taxes, making the state attractive to new business, job losses, education/school issues, etc.

CA's actual underlying problems are a bit broader in scope than firearms laws.

The laws regarding dangerous weapons have been changing incrementally over the course of the last 2-3 decades, too. I remember when carrying nunchaku in public was completely legal, but then later carrying a small can of Mace as a security officer or a private citizen required a class and a permit.