best place to buy Federal HST 147gr +P? (P9HST4)

they are out of stock sometimes. I have bought both 40 S & W and 45 ACP HST from them. You kinda have to check frequently. I will say I have not purchased 9mm from them.

Their prices are pretty competitive and delivery is fast.

$35.00/50 rds

http://www.policehq.com/Products/FC-9HST

+P relates to cartridge pressure (increased pressure above SAAMI standard specification)

Increased pressure may produce only modest velocity increase

IMO the $10 added cost for the +P load isn't worth it

Standard 147gr is $2500/50 rds

Different bullet designs have different resistance as they travel down the bore and this may be a factor here. More resistance = more pressure. More resistance = modest velocity increase.

i think i would go for the +p 147grn. not a fan of that weight in 9mm at all, and HST is the only brand i would use for that. don't think i'd pay $10/box extra for it though....

Really? SD ammo and you are worried about a ten dollar bill?

+P isn't necessary for reliable consistent terminal performance with the HST 147gr bullet. So, yeah, why pay extra for "premium" when it provides no performance increase over "regular".

^ Can you cite evidence for this claim?

HGUNHTR writes:

^ Can you cite evidence for this claim?

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With a velocity gain of 50 fps I don't feel compelled to provide any evidence.

gofastman: I carry a Kahr PM-9, which has a 3" bbl. I load it with Speer 124gr Gold Dot +P.

Really? SD ammo and you are worried about a ten dollar bill?

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times how many boxes the OP wants to order? yes, that factors in with me.

^ Can you cite evidence for this claim?

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google is your friend. there's a million expansion tests for this round that substantiate what he posted. HST is probably the only 147gr 9mm that expands with near perfect consistency.

Really? SD ammo and you are worried about a ten dollar bill?

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There is a big difference between saving $10 and getting a subpar product, and saving $10 and getting a perfectly legitimate product. I'm glad to pay for quality SD ammo, I just don't like to overpay for what I get.

My time is also worth money, and the amount of time spent talking this intot he ground has accumulated to more than $10.

My time is also worth money, and the amount of time spent talking this into the ground has accumulated to more than $10.

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I either need a better job or you need to type faster.

gofastman said:

yes but the PM9 has polygonal rifling which boost velocity considerably, right?

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I've never seen compelling evidence that polygonal rifling has such an effect.

I like the powerball ammo for HD. Wikipedia, "i think that's how you spell it" has a very good explanation of polygonal rifling, along with what it actually does and does not do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

For Winchester Ranger T-Series which i like just as much as the HST this place has the best prices.
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/9mm-9x19
I use the T-series in my .40 and .45 both for ccw.

ammunitiontogo seems to carry the HST in the .40 and .45 more than the 9mm iirc.
But they are always priced higher than SGammo, But ive bought from both places and happy with both also.

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Wikipedia, "i think that's how you spell it" has a very good explanation of polygonal rifling, along with what it actually does and does not do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

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I'd hardly call a list of unsubstantiated claims a good explanation. Some of them don't even make inherent sense, such as the first one: "Not compromising the barrel's thickness in the area of each groove as with traditional rifling." Oh, really? So how does a non-cylindrical bore not have such a "compromise" in barrels that are generally cylindrical on the outside? Some areas must be thinner than others when the shapes are not identical, right? This sure makes me wonder how well-researched and supported the other claims must be....