Harley Quinn
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Flint...
That is some serious killing of hogs
That is some serious killing of hogs
Not again.......! Feral Hog Control in East Texas
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Flintknapper
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Harley,
I don't know the origin of either photo. I have seen both posted other places on-line, I don't think the two are even related.
I post it here only in "jest"... (it is not me, just want to be clear).
I don't know the circumstances under which the "pile" of hogs were dispatched, but it is consistent with the numbers taken during Helicopter excursions.
Some ranches (primarily in South Texas) employ the use of a Helicopter and a "shooter" to fly over semi-open terrain and shoot as many of the pests as can be found.
I have heard reports of upwards of 150 hogs being taken in a couple hours of flying time.
It is not a viable technique for the thick woods where I live (Deep East Texas).
Flint.
I don't know the origin of either photo. I have seen both posted other places on-line, I don't think the two are even related.
I post it here only in "jest"... (it is not me, just want to be clear).
I don't know the circumstances under which the "pile" of hogs were dispatched, but it is consistent with the numbers taken during Helicopter excursions.
Some ranches (primarily in South Texas) employ the use of a Helicopter and a "shooter" to fly over semi-open terrain and shoot as many of the pests as can be found.
I have heard reports of upwards of 150 hogs being taken in a couple hours of flying time.
It is not a viable technique for the thick woods where I live (Deep East Texas).
Flint.
Shadow 7D
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Flint
just wanted to let you know, that after reading this thread, I actually consider getting an AR, even though after I got out of the army, I said I was done with them. I wish I had relatives in that part of the TX, so I could visit them and 'help out'...
just wanted to let you know, that after reading this thread, I actually consider getting an AR, even though after I got out of the army, I said I was done with them. I wish I had relatives in that part of the TX, so I could visit them and 'help out'...
Just WOW!
Mr Flint, now that you have served us up a spendid, free feast of hog lure, and weaponry, I have one request - can you put your manied talents to creating a book on these many aspects of HOG. I would stand in line out in the snow for a copy. !!! The depth of your knapery(?) is very impressive also. I realize youve worked with the stones and followed what the art dictated. THe question I have is there any literature that you would recommend to someone wishing to read of the art and perhaps wishing to dabble in it. Thank You for all the information, enlightenment and entertainment. Best of luck with this plague of rooting cock roaches.
Mr Flint, now that you have served us up a spendid, free feast of hog lure, and weaponry, I have one request - can you put your manied talents to creating a book on these many aspects of HOG. I would stand in line out in the snow for a copy. !!! The depth of your knapery(?) is very impressive also. I realize youve worked with the stones and followed what the art dictated. THe question I have is there any literature that you would recommend to someone wishing to read of the art and perhaps wishing to dabble in it. Thank You for all the information, enlightenment and entertainment. Best of luck with this plague of rooting cock roaches.
MidWestDisappearance
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flint,
I must say you have reached guru status. hog control is tricky enough, but firearm knowledge and lets not forget the years of practice needed to become proficient at skills like flintknapping and arrow building. i half expect a bit on home building white water canoes,lol.
anyway, thanks for the entertainment, the information, and the committment it takes to keep a thread going this long.
S.
flint,
I must say you have reached guru status. hog control is tricky enough, but firearm knowledge and lets not forget the years of practice needed to become proficient at skills like flintknapping and arrow building. i half expect a bit on home building white water canoes,lol.
anyway, thanks for the entertainment, the information, and the committment it takes to keep a thread going this long.
S.
Chainsaw2
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I haven't read the entire thread, but does anyone poison hogs? As prolific as they are, it would seem to be a good idea even if it is a nasty way to do things. Normally, I don't hold with poison, but if your place is being ruined...
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Shadow 7D
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question is where the hogs end up, and what else the poison would work on
add to it that hogs are damn resistant, in California, my neighbor used to be in the land business (his family holds/held a huge amount of land. A number of the ranchers would turn their pigs loose to clear out the rattlesnakes, the pigs blood was more toxic, and they resistant to the snake venom than the snake was to the pigs.
add to it that hogs are damn resistant, in California, my neighbor used to be in the land business (his family holds/held a huge amount of land. A number of the ranchers would turn their pigs loose to clear out the rattlesnakes, the pigs blood was more toxic, and they resistant to the snake venom than the snake was to the pigs.
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Flintknapper
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Chainsaw2 wrote:
At some point, it must be determined WHO'S problem the hogs are: The landowner or the State's.
At present...the landowner bears the burden, with no significant help from the State (save for literature and information).
No doubt, someone has tried....but it is ILLEGAL in the State of Texas to do so.
Sterilization might be a more viable means. Poisoning has the potential to create many problems. But, neither method will be developed/practiced by the State any time soon (if ever).
Conventional methods...(Shooting, Trapping, Snaring, Aerial, Dogs) can be somewhat effective IF the landowner can devote the time and monetary resources to it.
At some point, it must be determined WHO'S problem the hogs are: The landowner or the State's.
At present...the landowner bears the burden, with no significant help from the State (save for literature and information).
Shadow 7D
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Flint, maybe someone will do to the hogs what happened in Europe with rabbits, Myxomatosis, a virus (used in Australia in the 60's) was released by a french scientist who was annoyed at the bunnies eating the shrubbery on his estate, it has decimated the rabbit populations in Europe and Great Brittan and wiped out many a rabbitry.
Maybe someone could give the wild pigs a nice case of super swine flu, but remember I'm a vegetarian and don't eat bacon.....
Maybe someone could give the wild pigs a nice case of super swine flu, but remember I'm a vegetarian and don't eat bacon.....
Cougfan2
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Texas looking to use poison to control feral hogs
I saw this interesting article about Texas considering using a special poison and bait holders to poison feral hogs.
http://www.kens5.com/news/Wildlife-...safe-way-to-poison-feral-hogs--113037454.html
I saw this interesting article about Texas considering using a special poison and bait holders to poison feral hogs.
http://www.kens5.com/news/Wildlife-...safe-way-to-poison-feral-hogs--113037454.html
Harley Quinn
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Regarding the time frame of fatality...If it is to soon the other hogs will see dead and put two and two togeather and not eat from the hopper IMHO...
Then you have dead hogs that will be eaten by other hogs and so on...Other animals that eat the hogs will be involved also I would think
I am sure all the above will be researched, but how well can only be found out in a test run or two in the more infested area of TX you would think
Then you have dead hogs that will be eaten by other hogs and so on...Other animals that eat the hogs will be involved also I would think
I am sure all the above will be researched, but how well can only be found out in a test run or two in the more infested area of TX you would think
Cougfan2
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I too will be interested to see the test results. While I am sure they are desperate for a solution, putting poison into the food chain can have some really nasty unintended consequences.
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Flintknapper
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I am certainly not trying to discourage efforts to reduce Feral Hog populations, but I don't see the method posted above as having much potential.
IMO, the delivery system (the hopper)...is as least 50% of the problem. The toxin itself (probably Sodium Nitrite) could also be problematic...depending upon how it is encapsulated.
Sodium Nitrite is highly toxic to pigs (and in sufficient amounts...to other vertebrates as well).
Problem is: It is very soluble, extremely hygroscopic, and is biodegradable.
So...unless it is encapsulated in some type of paraffin base (or other water resistant bait body)...then it won't last long if exposed to the elements.
There are other hazards associated with it...as well, but most could be "worked around".
It is the delivery system ( proposed hopper) that I see as the biggest stumbling block. The design too heavily relies on a hog's instinct to "root" and ignores the MANY other factors involved in getting them to consistently feed at the station. The list is long!
Cost and application are other areas of concern. If the program were not State sponsored or subsidized...I wouldn't expect to see it implemented to a degree likely to have much effect.
IMO, (as currently proposed)....this is more an effort to create a money making "industry" than it is a practical solution to the problem.
Just my .02 on it.
Flint.
IMO, the delivery system (the hopper)...is as least 50% of the problem. The toxin itself (probably Sodium Nitrite) could also be problematic...depending upon how it is encapsulated.
Sodium Nitrite is highly toxic to pigs (and in sufficient amounts...to other vertebrates as well).
Problem is: It is very soluble, extremely hygroscopic, and is biodegradable.
So...unless it is encapsulated in some type of paraffin base (or other water resistant bait body)...then it won't last long if exposed to the elements.
There are other hazards associated with it...as well, but most could be "worked around".
It is the delivery system ( proposed hopper) that I see as the biggest stumbling block. The design too heavily relies on a hog's instinct to "root" and ignores the MANY other factors involved in getting them to consistently feed at the station. The list is long!
Cost and application are other areas of concern. If the program were not State sponsored or subsidized...I wouldn't expect to see it implemented to a degree likely to have much effect.
IMO, (as currently proposed)....this is more an effort to create a money making "industry" than it is a practical solution to the problem.
Just my .02 on it.
Flint.
pacpiper
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14 or so Boars @ $500 a head and you'd be making out like......er,.....flint!
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Flintknapper
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Shadow 7D wrote:
Not necessary to have an AR to hunt hogs. A rifle on an AR platform works for me and suits my situation....but any decent rifle will work. Just get out there and help reduce the population.
P.S., Thank you for your service Sir!
Flint
FLAvalanche
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If there was a $500 bounty on every hogs head we wouldn't have a hog problem...
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Flintknapper
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FLAvalanche wrote:
True.
Though we'd probably swap a hog problem for a poaching problem.... folks would be in the woods day and night chasing after hogs.
I'd wager a significant dent could be put in the population at $50.00 a head.
True.
Though we'd probably swap a hog problem for a poaching problem.... folks would be in the woods day and night chasing after hogs.
I'd wager a significant dent could be put in the population at $50.00 a head.
Johnny_Come_Lately
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Flint
Never before have so enjoyed a thread as I have enjoyed this one!
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Never before have so enjoyed a thread as I have enjoyed this one!
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CrotKlauberi
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Just found this thread
Pics from Arizona. I dont know if anyone on here has experience hunting them out here...they are not nearly as abundant and seem to be very localized around permanent water. This spot is a ways out in the wilderness. I saw 3 pigs (or asses of pigs) when i hiked through the canyon but it seems like baiting is going to have to be the way to get them.
How fast do pigs usually respond to bait?
how long will say 50 pounds of buried corn and spread around last?
any suggestions?
-Brandon-
Pics from Arizona. I dont know if anyone on here has experience hunting them out here...they are not nearly as abundant and seem to be very localized around permanent water. This spot is a ways out in the wilderness. I saw 3 pigs (or asses of pigs) when i hiked through the canyon but it seems like baiting is going to have to be the way to get them.
How fast do pigs usually respond to bait?
how long will say 50 pounds of buried corn and spread around last?
any suggestions?
-Brandon-
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Flintknapper
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Brandon Wrote:
No matter where you find Feral Hogs, their basic needs are the same:
Food, Water, Shelter from the elements.
If sources for water are limited in that area, then... you can use that to your advantage. Concentrate your efforts around the water.
I have had pigs find a bait site literally overnight, but more often it is some number of days before they find it.
They will begin to feed on the bait immediately (once found), and usually continue to do so... (if undisturbed/bait is sufficient).
The key to keeping hogs coming to a bait site is: A regular (daily) source of something palatable (read corn). You do NOT have to put out a truck load, it just needs to be there each day.
If you can not set up a feeder/pig pipe/post holes... to make the corn last longer, then broadcast it over a large area (100 ft. circle). That will serve to make them hunt for it.
If your plan is to put out corn (free access) and then return a week later to hunt, I would not expect any success. Birds and other animals (along with the hogs) will quickly pick it up.
If you can provide a little more information, we might be able to help you devise a strategy for your situation.
Good luck Sir,
Flint.
Hi Brandon,
No matter where you find Feral Hogs, their basic needs are the same:
Food, Water, Shelter from the elements.
If sources for water are limited in that area, then... you can use that to your advantage. Concentrate your efforts around the water.
Do you have unfettered access to it? Is it private or public land?
Possibly. Depends on what kind of food sources are in the area and how often you can keep it baited.
If by "respond"...you mean (how fast will they find it), it can vary.
I have had pigs find a bait site literally overnight, but more often it is some number of days before they find it.
They will begin to feed on the bait immediately (once found), and usually continue to do so... (if undisturbed/bait is sufficient).
Not long....if you have a group of hogs. If they have free access to the bait (no action taken to meter the amount) they can easily clean up 50 lbs. in one visit.
The key to keeping hogs coming to a bait site is: A regular (daily) source of something palatable (read corn). You do NOT have to put out a truck load, it just needs to be there each day.
If you can not set up a feeder/pig pipe/post holes... to make the corn last longer, then broadcast it over a large area (100 ft. circle). That will serve to make them hunt for it.
If your plan is to put out corn (free access) and then return a week later to hunt, I would not expect any success. Birds and other animals (along with the hogs) will quickly pick it up.
If you can provide a little more information, we might be able to help you devise a strategy for your situation.
Good luck Sir,
Flint.
I think one thing people don't realize is that you will NOT get rid of feral hogs with guns, dogs, helicopters or any kind of shooting or hunting activity. A Texas wildlife biologist wrote last year that just to keep a population of hogs level, you would have to kill 70% of the population per year. So if there are 1,000 hogs in a given area, you would have to kill or trap 700 a year just to MAINTAIN that population. It's NOT going to happen.
The only way to really impact hog populations is poisoning, which is illegal in Texas. You can certainly understand the concern; we've all heard the stories of people putting out highly toxic poisons and killing every whitetail deer in the county, along with the hogs. But they should allow responsible, controlled poisoning. They should allow using some small amount of bait that you could stay near and monitor, then retrieve it after it's eaten, something of that nature. But I think in banning ANY poisoning of ANY kind or method, they threw the baby out with the bathwater. Nothing else is going to work.
Moderator note: Best not to speak of a dangerous methodology, given that it could be attempted by the incompetent or irresponsible.
The only way to really impact hog populations is poisoning, which is illegal in Texas. You can certainly understand the concern; we've all heard the stories of people putting out highly toxic poisons and killing every whitetail deer in the county, along with the hogs. But they should allow responsible, controlled poisoning. They should allow using some small amount of bait that you could stay near and monitor, then retrieve it after it's eaten, something of that nature. But I think in banning ANY poisoning of ANY kind or method, they threw the baby out with the bathwater. Nothing else is going to work.
Moderator note: Best not to speak of a dangerous methodology, given that it could be attempted by the incompetent or irresponsible.
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CrotKlauberi
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Flint,
The land is open to public access. Its a pretty small area where the real heavy sign is...I would say less than a miles worth of the wash system. I was thinking that the Tubes filled with corn would be the best way, how long will that system last as I can only make it up to bait maybe once or twice a week. I have weekends off so I can hunt for 2 days back to back. Im sure that they have been hunted before as they seem to be very skidish. Im not really sure what to do as this is not a very common hunt out here in AZ so im just trying to come up with a plan that fits my time constraints.
-Brandon-
The land is open to public access. Its a pretty small area where the real heavy sign is...I would say less than a miles worth of the wash system. I was thinking that the Tubes filled with corn would be the best way, how long will that system last as I can only make it up to bait maybe once or twice a week. I have weekends off so I can hunt for 2 days back to back. Im sure that they have been hunted before as they seem to be very skidish. Im not really sure what to do as this is not a very common hunt out here in AZ so im just trying to come up with a plan that fits my time constraints.
-Brandon-
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Flintknapper
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Flintknapper
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Brandon, baiting with "pig pipes" or setting up feeding tubes... sounds like your best bet, I agree.
How long they will last is anyone's guess. Visitation to the bait site by hogs and raccoons will determine that, but in any case...it remains your best shot at attracting and holding hogs in the area until you can go back.
If you have a game camera and can set it up (inconspicuously), you'd have a good idea of how many hogs you were dealing with and when they are coming in.
If they are coming in only at night and your State does not allow hunting them under those conditions, then you'd just be wasting your time (except for the fun of being out there).
How long they will last is anyone's guess. Visitation to the bait site by hogs and raccoons will determine that, but in any case...it remains your best shot at attracting and holding hogs in the area until you can go back.
If you have a game camera and can set it up (inconspicuously), you'd have a good idea of how many hogs you were dealing with and when they are coming in.
If they are coming in only at night and your State does not allow hunting them under those conditions, then you'd just be wasting your time (except for the fun of being out there).
Kentuckiana rifleman
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Does anybody have this problem near the Austin area?
