What % of your guns are un-registered?

Even guns bought through FFL's are not registered. Except for a criminal investigation, a dealer's records stay with them - they don't go back to the state.

Honestly, don't know. If they DO try that, then I won't be worried about what percent. since I've bought one, they'd be after me.

What guns?

I lost my extensive Gun Collection in a Tragic Boating Accident...



Anything I own after that it's molon labe.

And I'am serious about that.

The majority of what I have purchased has been recorded by a dealer on the appropriate ATF forms and also log book. If the gun is used in an act that needs to be traced, it becomes more difficult to trace since they have to locate the original purchaser and asked him to what pawn shop did he sell it. It is certainly doable, just more leg work. If you feel the need for an unregistered gun, get a muzzle loader.

All of my guns were purchased from federally licensed dealers, and none of them are registered.

100%...as most others have pointed out, there's no registration, even if bought from an FFL.

Except for a criminal investigation, a dealer's records stay with them - they don't go back to the state.

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Unless the dealer goes out of business, then the feds get all of his records. What database they get entered into then is anybody's guess (or nightmare).

Since I live in NJ, all of my handguns are registered.

Register guns?
In Virginia?

As I was standing in my LGS this afternoon researching an old Savage 6a rifle ('37---61'), I stumbled across some thread archives about this very same gun from five years ago on this very forum. And whilst skimming thru the 20+ posts I stopped in my tracks when this little quote from a poster caught my eye;


"As the lady behind the counter was finishing up my rifle purchase, she suddenly looked up at me and said----'Every firearm enthusiast needs to own at least one gun that does not have a serial number".


I'm still laughing over that one......

I guess in a way I'm registered since I got my 03 FFL a couple months ago. Personally I take the view that everyone over 21 should get one. It's only $30 and if 200,000,000 plus people are in the "registry" then the "registry" isn't of much use.

I like your style, happygeek.

There is no registration in my state. I have experienced no "tragic boating accident" (can we LOSE that old bromide ---PLEASE!!!). I have full possession of ALL my firearms.
I am not sure what I'd do if national registration was enacted, but one thing for sure would result: I would do everything I could to resist it and if any politician representing me who had voted for it I would evict at the next election.

Yawn. None of mine are "registered".

None of my guns are registered, and only few of them could be traced back to me via Form 4473, as most were obtained secondhand from private individuals, and some before there was such a thing as a Form 4473. At this point I'm not too worried about confiscation, but it is nice to know I have a few guns with no paper trail at all.

For all you guys that are so worried about filling out a 4473's. I had a burglary this month. I did not have the serial number recorded for one of the guns stolen. I am the original purchaser and know the approximate time it was purchased. The dealer is out of business and the records appear to have been transferred to ATF in West Virginia. It is not as easy to trace a gun as you have been lead to believe. Only law enforcement can request it and you have to have more details than most gun owners ever record.

For my own records, I am switching back to paper from computer. I had a computer program that filed everything neatly, but some of the records did not save. It is very nice to have saved a record recording everything you know about a gun except the serial number. My new records system consists of a 3 ring binder with a photograph holder page for each gun. The top holder is a 5X7 with a printed index card listing all pertinent information. The reverse side lists the accusation and disposition of the firearm. The lower 2 holders are 4X6 and hold 4 photos of the gun (back to back) (right side, left side, top, and bottom). I have made two copies of this book. I am storing one he at my home and one in my safe deposit box. My intention is every year at tax time I will update the binder in the safety deposit box with the information for the pervious year.

I really hope none of you have to go through this, but odds are you will.

I must also offer kudos’s to my local and state law enforcement. They have recover 75% of the guns stolen from me and are pursuing the others. Please do not ask for details, this is an on going criminal case and I do not intend to compromise the officer’s work.

Schutzen

Can't believe this question came from a member with over 2000 posts.
I know guys who are obsessed with buying no paperwork guns but buy powder and other shooting supplies through the mail with credit cards, belong to gun clubs and organizations, subscribe to gun publications, buy hunting license and gun permits in multiple states while pumping their chest about how they can't be found out.
I don't get the mystique personally, if the day ever come that I need to bury em that's the day I would need to dig em up.

None of mine are.

I wouldn't know how to go about doing it if I wanted to.

They may not be centrally registered, but they are traceable if you bought them at retail.
In 1972, just three years into GCA '68 and its "record keeping" requirements, George Wallace was shot on campaign. The Charter Arms .38 was tracked to Arthur Bremer, an (attempted) assassin dumb enough to buy a gun in a store under his own name, in five hours.

About seven out of ten were personal transactions: gun shows, behind a McDonald's, at a friend's house. Nobody can prove otherwise.

Why worry so much?
The US govt. can't seize private property, unless it is used in a crime, and I'm not a convicted felon.
Life is far too short to worry about this, which is totally against not only US law, but US culture and tradition.

I hope that none of you guys have none of your guns in remote storage units.
A coworker had all of his objects stolen recently from a Little Rock unit (ATV, racing Go-Kart etc). They were probably sold/fenced in the area.
The "security" camera was already inop., but the access key or card box should record who entered, and when.

Don't know how many are registered. I have 7 guns that were purchased from FFL's in California. But 1 revolver and 3 rifles were before CA had registration. Actually, I don't know if CA registers any rifles other than those Horrible "Assualt" rifles that all the gang bangers carry around in their hip pocket.

Unless the dealer goes out of business, then the feds get all of his records. What database they get entered into then is anybody's guess (or nightmare).

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I have a friend who was a FFL for a while (a gunsmith rather than a dealer) and when he retired all his records were lost in a tragic fire before he could send them in. Luckily not much else was lost. That was a long time ago, and the ATF agent was understanding and sympathetic; not sure how they would deal with a sad situation like that today.

Owen Sparks
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All it takes is a one more appointment to the Supreme Court and some of your gun can become illegal. This has happened on the state level already.

Quote:
A routine inspection at a shooting range in Laguna Niguel has led to a record seizure of illegal assault weapons, the state attorney general's office said Tuesday.
Agents confiscated 79 assault rifles, seven assault shotguns, three assault pistols and a rifle packed with grenade launchers during the inspection at the On Target range on Nov. 19, Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer said.
Read more: http://articles.latimes.com/2003/nov...l/me-weapons26

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Ohhh boy, here it comes........


(edit-2-add....just noticed that happened way back in 2003. Phffeeeew)
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