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It's started in NY - Refusing to Register Guns

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Jan 27, 2013.

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  1. DammitBoy

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    Canadians were successful in resisting the government mandate to register their firearms until the government just gave up on their expensive boondoggle.

    I believe the final number was something like only 13% of gun owners in Canada registering their guns?

    So, it's not impossible and no revolution was required.
     
  2. JohnKSa

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    As soon as the law's passage became public the populace should have visited the legislature en masse and set things right.

    Clearly there wasn't sufficient popular support/outrage for such an action.
    Nothing could be farther from the truth. Barring some truly spectacular turn of the tide, it's just a matter of time before this kind of thing spreads.
     
  3. DAP90

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    People won’t comply. Historically they never have and now, with everyone all riled up, an active online gun community sharing info and coordinating, there’s no chance a registration yields a 90% compliance rate.

    See this article for more on that.

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian
     
  4. NYH1

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    We've been fishin in New Yorkistan all our lives (my wife lived in AZ for a while when she was younger). . . . .time to cut bait and find another state to fish in. I just hope we can get out of New Yorkistan before cuomo can figure out a way to actually confiscate any of our firearms.

    I understand completely what others (especially non-NYer's) are saying about fighting back. NYS has just over 19 million people in it. About 13 million of those people live in the NYC metro/Long Island/down state area. That leaves the rest of us Up Starter's to about 6 million people. NYC runs New Yorkistan in every way possible. They love cuomo and his group because they give them anything they want and tell them everything they want to hear. 95% of everything that comes out of Albany (the State Capital) is for NYC/down state. That's where most of the people are from and that's where most of our politions are from.

    A lot of Republicans from NYS, especially the down state Republicans are more liberal then a lot of Democrats from down south or out west. Remember it was NY Republican Governor George Pataki's idea to pass the NYS law mirroring the '94 AWB back in '98 or so. He did so like he was a hero, doing us a favor. The NRA and S.C.O.P.E. and others are getting a lawsuit(s) together. If NYer's are lucky, a court will do something. I don't think they'll do much though. I see the magazine capacity maybe going back up to 10 rounds with no "pre-ban" mags. allowed at all, AR type rifles being allowed to be sold again to some extent but being very regulated and registered with nothing more then a pistol grip if we're lucky. I really hope they don't go the way of bullet buttons. NY is not going to get away from registering AR type rifles though.

    There has been registration on handguns ever since I can remember. I have a concealed carry pistol permit here in NY. Every pistol I have is on my pistol permit, make, model, ser. num., cal and bar. length. It's like that for non-carry pistol permits too. If you own a pistol in NYS it's on your permit. Here's a nice kick in the b@lls, if you have a NYS carry permit but don't live in or have a NYC carry permit you can't carry a pistol in NYC, however. . . . .if you live in NYC and have a carry permit. . . . .you can carry anywhere in the state. California has had some sort of long gun/assault weapons registration for years. Nobody has done anything about that.

    NYH1.
     
  5. ThorinNNY

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    We all know or should know exactly how effective the Volstead Act 91919-33,i think) was! you know, the one that prohibited the possession, consumption and distribution of alcoholic beverages was!
    The people who foisted that one on the American Public used arguments that seem vey similar to the ones the gun-grabbers use today! In NYC, their wise(sarcasm here) legislators made possession of a filled pocket flask of whiskey a felony punishiable by harsh sentances normally imposed only on criminals who used a firearms in the commission of a violent crime.
    If you can find and endure watching it- PBS had a 3 part series PROHIBITION that first aired in 2010 or 2011! Pete Hammill( liberal scribbler)and all the other liberals slammed Prohibition in every way possible. Hamill said Pass a law that says you cannot have something. and suddenly you make it so desirable that people will risk loss of life, limb and liberty to get it.
    But the same logic flies out the window when the libs want to deprive us of our guns while retaining their own!
     
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    Being a reformed New Yawker I sympathize with all of you still enslaved there. Good luck!
     
  7. DammitBoy

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    I just have to say, if people will practice civil disobedience, and do not register... it's only effective if it is done proudly, flaunting it, and en mass. If you are going to keep them buried, guilty, cowering away from the world, you are only fooling yourself; it's as if they have confiscated them already.

    ...Because it is not the hardware they are really after, but your Right to own, your moral highground. Rulers don't care if the "criminals" are armed, so long as they act guilty and are seen as criminals by the rest, criminals are easy to marginalize and control. Criminals legitimize the State's powergrab >for your safety<. Free men with Rights, and the Will to stand up for those Rights.. not so much. They are to tyrants what sunlight is to vampires.

    An openly defiant and contempt-full, yet overtly peaceful (on our end at least) "Million-man" EBR toting march may be due for New Yorkers if courts fail to resolve the issue before the grace period expires.
     
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    I watched that program a few weeks ago.

    Replace "temperance" with "gun control" and that is exactly the scenario happening today.

    It is ironic that all the narrators and commentators spoke strong words about liberty and justice regarding the 18th amendment while you new very well that they would take the opposite side of the argument regarding the 2nd amendment.
     
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    "imprison them one at a time..... "


    and when that occurs its time for all this speculation and hot air to stop and do what our ancestors had the cayonnes to do on the lexington & concord commons. not fighting each other,not sitting in our warm homes over the country, waiting for the tyranny to reach each of us, but joining EACH other in common effort at that time to oppose the tyrant......
     
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    Serious.

    This is exactly what needs to happen to dry up the seeds of tyranny that cumo has sprouted!
    Its more than a statement, its a check mate on the political, moral and national chess board.
     
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    And that's not true freedom. Not if they have to lick the King's crack to have 'peace'.
     
  13. beefyz

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    # 89 above.......EXACTLY !!!!!


    the jews in germany had a chance to resist and didn't & look what happened.
    the nazis cofiscated the guns and look what happened.
    mussolini confiscated the guns and look what happened
    stalin confiscated the guns and look what happened
    a few thousand marched in washington the other day who wouldn't object to confiscation.
    and did ANY of US march ? has ANY formal NATIONAL protest been called for to march for the protection of the 2nd amendment ??????? ?????
    exactly what the stinkin politicians hope we'll do....NOTHIN !!!!!!!! and go over the cliff with the rest of the lemmings of germany, italy ,and russia.
     
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    If HB2340 is passed into law, we won't have to worry about any federal confiscation plans here in Virginia. And you know Virginia is not about to entertain any thoughts of confiscation. Let's hope this bill makes it to our governor's desk and becomes law.
     
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    No big deal

    This is what America has come to. In-fared cameras watching you as you simply walk a public street, laws designed to punish the rights of law abiding citizens, rights granted by thousands, actually millions of men and women that died to protect these vary rights. Who are these people that have empowered themselves with such control that Constitutional law means nothing to them. These are CAREER politicians that do govern as they see fit. No longer is this a government by the people and for the people. This is a government of self-serving, greedy, power hungry white collar criminals that beg, borrow, steal, lie, cheat and think nothing of those people that elected them to be represented. Make no darn mistake about it, these are evil people that know no limits to their reach. Democratic or Republican, they all are evil. The double, triple homes they own. The millions of dollars they take during their political career. The laws they live by, are certainly not the laws we are subjected to. They will try to take our guns, all of our guns. This is just the tip of what’s to follow. Do not fool your selves. Guns, ammo, taxes on each will turn some in. The rising costs of registration, picture ids and so-on and so-forth will drive most of us away. In the end, 15-20yrs. from now the only ones with guns will be the criminals, the politicians....because they are very afraid so they will protect themselves. After all these are our leaders, God Save the Queen....sound familiar. Oh and by the way, when that light in your lamp goes out, don't you dare buy a 75watt incandescent replacement light bulb. Save our planet, you will have to buy that compact florescent bulb instead, you know the one that contains mercury and cost 3x as much. :banghead:
     
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    Read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" by Matthew Bracken. The parallels are uncanny. This past month has really changed my world view.
     
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    Pat M, thanks for posting the link. I am sure the entire nation will be watching this lawsuit very carefully - http://www.nysrpa.org/files/SAFENoticeOfClaim.pdf

     
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    Very true. A public demonstration of defiance and contempt would be necessary if the courts don't clean this mess up pronto. A peaceful yet armed march is called for, a very public "come and get them... if you dare"<<they won't.

    Brainstorming should begin on how to organize such an event and ensure its success. Lots of things to consider.
     
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    I'm in, this has to stop now. We just can't allow it to continue. They work for us not the other way around.
    A huge march needs to happen.
     
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    Well, New York.............the world is watching.
     
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    This is great, but I am troubled by one aspect of it; namely that as far as the rifles themselves are concerned, they are not being confiscated (yet).
    Couldn't they argue that they are not trying to deprive anyone of their property, they simply require registration?

    We all know that registration will inevitably lead to confiscation, but for the moment, they aren't saying that they will deprive us of our rifles.


    It is of course possible that they never expected this law to actually stick.

    They make a big fuss and talk about tighter restrictions to put on a big show that they are 'doing something', then when the dust settles a year later, the law is ruled unconstitutional and quietly withdrawn.
    By that time, most of the public had forgotten about it anyway, so everyone is kept happy.

    What really strikes me as bizarre about this whole thing is that this law was passed very quickly in the dead of night, the excuse being that it was an 'emergency'.
    If it was really that urgent, how come it doesn't take effect for a whole year?
    If they are giving us a year to comply, how come they couldn't have taken their time and gone through the proper non-emergency lawmaking proceedure?
     
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    I'm a strong believer in civil disobedience when it comes to unjust laws and regulations.

    There was a time when civil disobedience worked out well in the end for African Americans and women this country, go back ever further and the whole reason this country even exists at all is due to civil disobedience against the British.
     
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    We can certainly express our point of view whether it be because we own potentially banned guns, or just hypothetically. Regardless, all one has to do is not answer the door when the minions come a knocking. I doubt even Cuomo will send storm troopers to bust down doors with warrant less searches to try and confiscate guns. If he tried a lot of police would refuse on principle or for fear of winding up in the morgue.
     
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    Blakenzy, gym and fellow shooters: A huge march seems like a good idea.

    But with the increase in accidental discharges lately at gun shows, the considerable chance of an AD among a much larger number of people could turn the demonstration into a nasty media event.

    They would twist it to their advantage, even lie about it being accidental.
     
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