NFA Amnesty?

No evil machine guns.

Why do you need one?

I'm keeping the faith, I believe we will one day be a free country. A lot nay sayers believed the ass ban would be replaced 1 minute after it sunset, I remained optimistic. Never stop fighting, never accept defeat, and never allow them to convince you we can't win because WE CAN and we're going to

Let's all call our Congressmen and tell them that we're trying to pay taxes but the government won't accept them.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't there been like 4 whole "crimes" committed with tax-stamped machine guns?

At least one that I know of was arguably a self-defense case, albeit probably avoidable circumstances.

These registered and taxed guns are RUINING America!!!

What's next?

People will be going out and buying lots of ammo from American stores, and paying sales tax and range fees?!!!

NFA Amnesty?

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'For an amestty to be useful you must have an illegal machinegun which is a big no no.

I both want and have a need for full auto weapons. I did not see a need or want prior to being allowed to fire diverse types ranging from an MG34 to MAC 9mm subguns. I certainly see a use for them. Too bad it is not possible for me to own FAs due to finances.

The NFA situation proves that when the anti's talk "registration" they ultimately mean cap and ban!

We would need a President who is pro gun, a filibuster proof senate and hold our control of the house. A direct bill opening up the registry would never pass
because most voters would freak at the thought and the press would hammer us. A sneaked in amendment to an environmental or some such bill might work. No one will walk the plank on a direct vote.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't there been like 4 whole "crimes" committed with tax-stamped machine guns?

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I spent a decent chunk of time researching this a few months back, and the number I kept coming too was whopping TWO.

- A cop (midwest?) uses a M.A.C. style SMG to 'silence' a guy who was planning on testifying against him on, IIRC, corruption related charges.

- A doctor with an M-11 .380 and a Sionics can murders a man on his front lawn, hides the gun in a burlap sack and skips town. There's a scan of a newspaper article on that case out there somewhere.

At least one that I know of was arguably a self-defense case, albeit probably avoidable circumstances.

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You are probably thinking of the Heckler and Koch employee who dropped a guy who had been chasing him in a pickup truck for several miles. If so, it most certainly was self defense, and the jury sided with him. Masaad Ayoob did a very good write-up on that case. In case you were wondering, it was a Ruger AC-556.


ETA: Of course, with the press's reputation for getting mixed up, and the fact that the paperwork involved is confidential tax information, I can't be 100% certain about the total.

S.W.G. said:

the Heckler and Koch employee.... In case you were wondering, it was a Ruger AC-556

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I gotta call balogna on this one... the guy works for H&K and he "carries" a Ruger

Nope it's real. But it was self defense. H&K had the Ruger on hand for R&D.

Here's the story with that one:

http://www.davehayes.org/2006/02/10/the-gary-fadden-incident

SWG, a cop in 1934 after the law went into effect, used a department Thompson SMG to murder his wife and her lover in bed when the cop arrived home. He retrieved the SMG from his car and emptied the 30rd magazine into both of them.

No evil machine guns.

Why do you need one?

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Need has nothing to do with it.

There was an attempt to create an amnesty for war bring backs. WWII vets brought home quite a few illegal machine guns. They are dying off fast. Their heirs are faced with risking a 10 year prison sentence for continuing to hide them or turning them over to be destroyed.

The amnesty went no where fast in the House.

zoom6zoom said:

Let's all call our Congressmen and tell them that we're trying to pay taxes but the government won't accept them.

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Reminds me of an episode of My Name is Earl.

While it would be nice to have the registry re-opened, or done away with entirely, I'm not holding my breath. Too many places still have an irrational fear of SRS', SBR's, AOW,'s, DD's and silencers. Machine guns are 'teh evil' as they say on the internets.

Still, Michigan allows MG's and now silencers, so anyone want to sell me a supressed full auto?

Heirs risk a 10 year prison sentence for continuing to hide them, not for turning them over to ATF as discovered contraband.

If there is a wartime souvenir discovered in the property of a deceased vet with bringback paperwork in the name of the veteran, it might be a good idea to contact a lawyer who knows NFA law VERY VERY WELL.

No amnesty is like saying it is better to have unpapered war trophies floating about with no incentive to report loss or theft, rather than allow heirs to register and legitimize a war trophy of a deceased vet.

I don't really mind the NFA. I just want to see the bloody date restriction removed.

wally said:

The NFA situation proves that when the anti's talk "registration" they ultimately mean cap and ban!

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You've just alluded to a very important point. When you mention to an "anti" that machine guns are legal to have (which shocks the heck out of them, usually) but are heavily regulated, and that there have been less than a handful of incidents of legally owned, registered MGs being used as murder weapons, what do you think their next thought is?

"Heck, if ALL guns were that heavily controlled, crime would go way down."

Just like when we trot out stats about how much "better behaved" CCW holders are than the general population, aren't we possibly playing into the hands of the "anti" crowd?

I'm personally in favor of constitutional carry, and I'm completely comfortable with the private party transfer of any sort of firearm.
I'm just putting it out there that sometimes our facts become ammo for the other side.

I gotta call balogna on this one... the guy works for H&K and he "carries" a Ruger

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I should have elaborated. The H&K employee had the AC-556 with the intention of comparing it to their own products. I imagine it was some kind of market research.

He had it on the dash of his truck when the incident happened.

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The H&K employee had the AC-556 with the intention of comparing it to their own products. I imagine it was some kind of market research.

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LOL, I was just giving you a hard time (but really was wondering why a Ruger when you have access to any one of a great number of awesome SMGs???) but that does make sense

MIgunguy: "...why a Ruger when you have access to any one of a great number of awesome SMGs???"

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Since the gun was registered to him, there are several plausible reasons for him to own the Ruger AC-556.

I own an AC-556 and I can tell you that at the time I purchased mine in 1992 there was a big price difference between it and the HK.

My Ruger has a 14" bbl including the flash hider and the factory folding stock (very stable) which makes it very compact when folded- not as compact as the HK, but it is still in the ballpark.

The AC-556 shoots a round that has a whole lot more penetrating ability than any of the HK calibers. That is something I would have wanted in the Adden case in the event that the assailants remained inside the truck when they assaulted him. You can reduce the penetration of the Ruger by using frangible projectiles and/or downloading the cartridge. You can never increase the penetration of those pistol calibers anywhere near the level of the 5.56 NATO round. My Ruger may not have the "cool factor" of the HK, but IMO it is much more versatile.

BTW, bologna is something that goes into your mouth and baloney is something that comes out of it! No insult intended!

You are probably thinking of the Heckler and Koch employee who dropped a guy who had been chasing him in a pickup truck for 22 miles.

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Thats the number of miles I remember reading, shows how extreme it was.

I gotta call balogna on this one... the guy works for H&K and he "carries" a Ruger

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He bought the gun for R&D, it was his personal weapon and the first time he fired it was the first warning volley before leveling it to the the man charging.

No amnesty is like saying it is better to have unpapered war trophies floating about with no incentive to report loss or theft, rather than allow heirs to register and legitimize a war trophy of a deceased vet.

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Which is exactly what Hughes does, and with no, zero, none, not ever fingers-crossed, way to "legitimize" anything, even WWI or Span-Am or KW or VN bring-backs.

Which, to my thinking, is the answer to OP's question.

We will see an amnesty only after some highly decorated war hero passes, and the heirs of that hero are clapped into irons for merely trying to sort through the estate.

Further, to really bite into "modern" newsthink, it will be the veteran heirs of a passed war hero tossed into jail. "[War] Vet Jailed for [Relative's] Machine Gun" would be a "selling" headline.

However, given the lily-liverred nature of our modern congress-creatures, I'd not be surprised if the Amnesty would only allow for transfer to museums and not to the 'general' NFR.