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What if BATF Adds Semi Autos to the NFA?

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by SharpsDressedMan, Dec 25, 2012.

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  1. Prince Yamato

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    This would never go through. Way too many guns. Aside from the fact it was easy to do so with the DD clause, there weren't many StreetSweepers out there to begin with. Feinstein's law is so encompassing, basically every semi-auto would be nfa.

    Personally, if this does look like it will pass, I say we add a poison pill to open up the mg registry.
     
  2. AlexanderA

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    Yes, and to remove suppressors, SBR's, SBS's, and AOW's from the NFA, on the ground that they don't represent a crime problem and burden the NFA system. Also, there should be at least a year-long free registration amnesty window for all the remaining categories under the NFA.
     
  3. JTW Jr.

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    If you think anything is going to ever be removed from NFA status , you are going to be very disappointed.
     
  4. bsctov

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    BTW, the supreme court upheld a retroactive domestic violence gun ban as constitutional after some cops got the F.O.P to sue because they lost their jobs due to this.


    So even if you got convicted of DV offense in 1993, law passed in 1994, you would still be prohibited.In a stroke of logic that can be described as nothing short of remarkable, They ruled that a firearms prohibition was not serious enough to trigger the ex post facto requirements, thus even those convicted before the ban went into place are prohibited.
     
  5. Cesiumsponge

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    I don't really care much for putting "semi-automatic machine gun" under firearm type on an ATF Form 4 (5320.4)
     
  6. Hokkmike

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    The provision to put grandfathered "assault rifles" into the NFA registry is part of Feinstein's bill. Go to her website and read it .
     
  7. slidemuzik

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    Does anybody know the ins and outs of transfering ownership of firearms to a corporation and getting them out of personal ownership?

    I read something about this regarding silencers. Seems like the same technique might be used here.

    If private transfers were banned, could you in theory form a corporation for each gun and then transfer ownership of the corporation that owns the gun? That way the owner (The corporation) never changes, the ownership of the corporation does.
     
  8. Cesiumsponge

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    Paying the $200 tax to transfer it out of your name, and $200 tax to transfer it into a corporation for suppressors. And more waiting.
     
  9. JTW Jr.

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    Real "assault rifles" are already NFA......... " selective fire (either fully automatic or burst capable)"

    what the media and our politicians call "assault rifles" is incorrect. But you can't expect them to understand that , after all we have all these 30 round "clips".....

    I mean really , wouldn't a 30rnd "clip" really screw up the cycling of the bolt on your Mauser , Enfield or Garrand ? Not to mention really block your sight picture ;)
     
  10. jon_in_wv

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    Doesn't Feinsten's proposed AWB do exactly what you guys are saying is "highly unlikely?". her website seems to say any weapon banned by the new AWB and grandfathered in would require registration under the NFA. Seems to me in the present climate it is more than highly unlikely this could happen. Just like so many guys said it was "highly unlikely" Obama would go after gun control if he was re-elected but he has already called for it before he has even been inaugurated. It seems some people need to wake up and redefine what highly unlikely means before its too late.
     
  11. Sheepdog1968

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    I would comply with the law. Last thing I want to do is have something illegal and face a possible felony which would then make me loose my gun rights.
     
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    I am VERY worried about this.

    1) I don't think lack of feasibility or even the huge complexity and cost is a concern of the legislators. They want to take our guns, at any cost and price. Exhibit A - 2 years and millions of dollars later, Obamacare is a complex and costly mess. But it stood up in SCOTUS.

    2) The combonation of Executive Orders to the ATF and new laws, we could really be screwed. Registration, extra costs, etc. I've also read that you cannot transfer your guns, including through inheritance.

    This is just horrible.

    YOU MUST write your representatives. NOW!
     
  14. nazshooter

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    Same here.... If I hadn't already sold everything.

    Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk 2
     
  15. lefteyedom

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    Time t get an 80% lower, some PVC tubing and sharpen the post hole diggers blades...
     
  16. Sambo82

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    As others have said, adding semi auto's to the NFA registry is already on the bill on Feinstein's website. I hear talk about how hard funding it would be, but if there is an update of the NFA, it would suprise me if they didn't price index the tax stamp to the 3500$ or so to compensate for inflation.

    If something like this went through, I wouldn't comply, with all that that implies. I don't say that with any false bravado, either. Truth is, I'm scared as hell. But ultimately, as we've seen with full auto, registration eventually becomes a ban, and if we follow the UK or Australia that becomes confiscation. I'd rather get my civil disobedience in while I've still got the teeth to make it count.

    But hopefully this is just meaningless political profiteering on the part of Feinstein and it will all blow over. We Americans have notorously short attention spa... hey Iron Chef is on.
     
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    Actually the proposal underscores what people here have said. That under the current laws the ATF cannot do it on its own. Rather there must be a change in the law from congress.

    Her proposal is also slightly different in that it would still block new production, sales, and transfers. It would require NFA registration of grandfathered weapons. And under her shockingly expansive list of of what would be banned you would have to register this bad boy:

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    The scope of her proposal is mind blowing. The good news is perhaps that it helps to show their hand and what they are really after. Basically they are very clearly trying to get as close to simply banning all semi autos as they think they can get. It sweeps in guns that even the, "I don't need that kind of gun for hunting" "pro gun" folks are likely to object to. Her proposals are also so far reaching it makes their constitutionality even more questionable Her proposals go so far beyond what the '94 ban was that it is very frightening. However, I think the chance of her full list of proposals passing is extremely slight.
     
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    At which point any such law would be clearly unconstitutional. Remember, just because Congress passes it does not make it constitutional. I strongly suspect that the SCOTUS will not view a semi-auto 10/22 in the same perview as an M16 or belt fed anything. Banning and confiscation of a 10/22 simply because it is semiauto is an obvious overreach. It might even force the SCOTUS to start creating law to determine what a "reasonable restriction" is. I, for one, don't think putting semi-auto squirrel guns in the NFA for future $3500 transfer is a "reasonable restriction".

    Further, while the topic is Semi AUtos, the NFA restriction is also called for for hi-cap magazines. These are generally un-serialized and outnumber rifles about 5:1, 10:1, maybe even 100:1. Are we really going to try to put 30 billion magazines without serial numbers in the NFA? Seriously?
     
  19. Carl N. Brown

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    The USAS-12 declared a DD was semi-auto, but, the Streetsweeper also restricted as a DD was a 12ga revolver action, not a semi-automatic.

    Both were declared "destructive devices" for being both over .50" bore and "non-sporting purposes" because they were strictly designed as combat shotguns.

    While certain congresspersons seen to want to add new classes of firearms to the NFA classifications, I am not so sure that ATF especially the Firearms Technology Branch are keen on the idea.

    When you realize that Canada abandoned its long gun registry after 17 years and 2.7 billion dollars with no discernable law enforcement benefit, you would think that adding tens of millions of semi-auto rifles to our NFA registry would be seen as a useless waste of law enforcement resources.
     
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  20. Carl N. Brown

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    Original Mauser C96 pistols with shoulder stocks (once a NFA item under Title II NFA) are now Curio & Relic pistols subject to Title I GCA same as other handguns.

    Original Trapper rifles made by Winchester and Marlin (once NFA SBR items under Title II 1934 NFA) are now Curio & Relic rifles subject to Title I GCA same other rifles.

    Small concessions to the idea certain firearms are more valued as collectibles than as weapons, but a concession nonetheless.
     
  21. Girodin

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    In Washington budgets are king. If it comes with a big budget increase, which is what Feinstein suggests her bill include, it might sweeten the ATF on the idea. The expense, however, seems even more folly given our current fiscal situation. I think Feinstiens bill as she describes it will be a non starter. There is an argument that it is a deliberately absurd starting point to then "compromise" to something less.
     
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    I got this email from the NRA today (see below). I have 8 AR15 rifles. If they increase the NFA fee to 3500.00 to account for inflation, that is $28K. That would be hard to swallow (actually 7 since 1 is already pending a NFA stamp for a SBR). Feinstein has also proposed that when the owner of the NFA item dies, the device must be surrendered to the government. So, when you do your mandatory NFA registration, do so in the name of a Trust (a Trust never dies) so you can keep it in the family. After the ban passes, I wonder what will happen when some idiot kills another 30 kids with a Glock and 20 ten-round magazines. Gun bans are such a wast of time and money.

     
  23. jon_in_wv

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    If they passed this abomination of the law I would comply with it in the sense I would take a hacksaw to the receiver of my AK and make it inoperable. When the law is overturned, eventually, I would buy a new receiver and reassemble it. I'll be damned if I will give it to them or allow it to be registered.
     
  24. Rail Driver

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    I do sincerely believe that if this travesty of a law is passed, it will be time to saddle up and hit the "reset" button on our government. We CANNOT allow this to stand. To do so is treason and suicide at the same time.
     
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    I would hope we would look to Canada to see how that worked out for them ... Spent billions of dollars before they finally abandoned the idea as impossible.
     
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