Oh boy, The Nuge does it again

Probably if you didn't film it & show it on national television there would have been no questions ask.

Just say'n.

rc

So he has been pinched for poaching in California and now for poaching in Alaska?

I know a lot of folks blamed Nugent's guide in California for not being up on the laws and hence Nugent was somehow not as much at fault, but this is now the second time. It isn't the responsibility of anyone other than the hunter to know the laws and if he doesn't know them, then he deserves to get busted.

The law is worded that ANY contact from an arrow means you have filled your tag. So, what if you just grazed the back of the animal, barely even creasing the skin? Yep, you guessed it, tag filled! Here is the link to the news report.

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I understand your dislike of the wording of the law, but the wording of the law at this level of contact isn't relevant. It wasn't that Nugent was confused on whether his arrow contacted the bear or not. He knew that it had. He knew that he had wounded the animal. He believed it was not a fatal wound. So this wasn't an incidental contact issue.

What I find so amazing is that he keeps getting busted because he documents his transgressions on video...for TV!

Sounds like he needs a better video editor.

nuge was also busted in south dakota. south dakota law states that if your hunting priveleges have been revolked in another state like california, you are not eligible for a south dakota hunting license. But ted thought that south dakota pheasant hunting wasnt part of that deal and lied on his license application by not stating the accident in california lol. Lucky the south dakota game officer knew ted was hunting and kept up on the news and paid the motor city madman a visit in the field.

Busted maybe, but not charged.
http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/st...cle_2c9a68e8-24cd-11e0-98fe-001cc4c002e0.html

thats funny, i wonder if they would have ruled the same if it was you or me that violated the law.

See this other thread!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8117026#post8117026

rc

It isn't the responsibility of anyone other than the hunter to know the laws and if he doesn't know them, then he deserves to get busted.

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End of story!

They've got apparently some crazy law in Southeast that says if you even touch an animal with an arrow, it becomes your animal," Ross said Friday. "He looked to see if he had hit it and didn't believe that he'd hit it fatally."

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I have lived and hunted in Alaska most of my life, if it was up to me, he'd never get to come back again, it was more then violating an obscure game regulation, and we have some of these game regs in place for a good reason.

He failed to harvest his "wounded" bear!

Nugent has been in the news lately for waving automatic weapons and saying silly things about the sitting POTUS. Enough to get a visit from the Secret Service.

What I find most disturbing is the NRA has not disowned Nuget, or his actions.

When I hunted, I studied the laws inside and out. IMO, following the rules is/was being an ethical hunter.

Nugent brings $$ to the always "cash strapped" NRA. Maybe that explains the hall pass.

Why does it always have to be about the money?

I live in Alaska and have hunted here since 1971. Ted Nugent has been hunting here for around 30 years also. The law which Ted got busted with was fairly new, I wasn't aware of it but I do not actively hunt black bear. Most areas residents can kill several per year.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/regulations/wildliferegulations/pdfs/regulations_complete.pdf

The regulation is on page 25, and the location on the page could easily cause it to be overlooked, especially by somebody who has hunted here for a long time and was not aware of the reg. His guide at the least should have known and informed him.

It is the hunters responsibility to know the laws, but given the circumstances I can see how this was missed. Ted paid a big fat fine and spends lots of bucks here every year, a lot more than the $10k they charged him.

either way i feel he is hurting us more than his money is helping. He handed the anti-hunting groups more fuel for their fire. If i had pulled the stunt that he did in california i would be damn sure to skim the state laws over once a day and twice on sunday in every other state i hunted thereafter. Hell with the money he has he should just have his attorney go over the state hunting regs for him before he goes there lol. His ignorance is very comparable to gen. custer's and look were he ended up.

I read the Texas wildlife regulations booklet every year. You read along and what you see is the same as last year for the first 15 of 20 items. It's all too easy to miss seeing some new change.

The issue, then, is one of intent. So, yeah, Nugent did wrong, apparently all unkowingly. Guilty, yes, but not from any scornful and wilful ignoring of the rule.

Well said Art.

Uncle Ted is an in-your-face kinda guy (better him than me). As far as the antihunters, they will trace his every move and pounce on any hint of an error. Get over it!

Nugent's lack of ethics as a hunter is a stain on all legitimate hunters. And I do not believe for one minute that he was "unaware". Didn't care is far more likely.

Art Eatman said:

I read the Texas wildlife regulations booklet every year. You read along and what you see is the same as last year for the first 15 of 20 items. It's all too easy to miss seeing some new change.

The issue, then, is one of intent. So, yeah, Nugent did wrong, apparently all unkowingly. Guilty, yes, but not from any scornful and wilful ignoring of the rule.

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It has been said many times and is as true today as ever......."Ignorance of the law is no excuse". Funny in all three of the cases where Ted was caught doing something wrong he used the same excuse...."duh, I didn't know". Guess when somethings works, there's no need to fix it. All one has to do is watch a little bit of Ted's hunting shows to see he is not a hunter, but a shooter. His idea of a successful hunt is something dead regardless of the quality of the hunt. The pressure to show this idea of success to a television audience apparently has Ted bending the rules to make it happen. Fortunately for him he has enough monies to pay lawyers and fines and to go somewhere else he can hunt when he loses hunting privileges in one area. Since most violators violate more than once, and Ol' uncle Ted has already been caught three times, I tend to wonder how many other times he has "bent the rules" and gotten away with it. Especially those times when the cameras aren't rolling.

wlewisiii said:

Nugent's lack of ethics as a hunter is a stain on all legitimate hunters. And I do not believe for one minute that he was "unaware". Didn't care is far more likely.

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^^^ I gotta agree.

I am probably wrong so forgive me if I am....I read someplace there were 4000 or 40,000 ( somewhere in that range) new laws passed last year ?nation wide? or at the federal level; don't remember and do not know where to begin to look? Ignorance of the law is no excuse; great catch all.

A member of our small club is a Wildlife Enforcement Officer. I have been hunting for 50 years and it only takes a short conversation with him to realize there are a lot of regulations I don't know about. Mostly I consider them nit picky, but my wallet probably wouldn't.

I have been watching this thread and I must disagree with some of this....

I have always thought of Ted as a hunter and a champion for the 2A!

Yes! He is in your face....which in itself gets him in trouble! But to call him an unethical hunter is a bit over the top to me...... so he got charged with poaching etc etc... Who here has broken the law as written in a regulation guide, but did not get caught???(not accusing just saying) the laws change every year!

Fred Bear (RIP) was Ted Nugents Mentor....was he an unethical hunter? Some might say yes to that, but it would not be true either! Ted actually says to our proponents what we want to say to them! But when its said it is politically incorrect and the media runs with it!

It disgusts me that they can be over the top towards demonizing 2A or hunting, but when someone comes back at them it is unacceptable.

And besides Ted is not being drawn out and punished for his comments, hunting ethics, etc. He is being punished and drawn out for his political affiliations....we all know that too!

I bet there are 10,000's of game violation per yr. Ted or any other celeb will be highlighted by the media and game departments for the simple reason that he/they are high profile and it gives all those involved in the case a higher profile as well, 15 sec. of fame so to speak.
I question those who say he is unethical and also those who challenge his motives. THR as a whole probably doesn't add up to what he spends in time and money to promote the sport of shooting/hunting and anti drug/alcohol message to kids.

And besides Ted is not being drawn out and punished for his comments, hunting ethics, etc. He is being punished and drawn out for his political affiliations....we all know that too!

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Totally agree

Tomcat47 said:

I have been watching this thread and I must disagree with some of this....

I have always thought of Ted as a hunter and a champion for the 2A!

Yes! He is in your face....which in itself gets him in trouble! But to call him an unethical hunter is a bit over the top to me...... so he got charged with poaching etc etc... Who here has broken the law as written in a regulation guide, but did not get caught???(not accusing just saying) the laws change every year!

Fred Bear (RIP) was Ted Nugents Mentor....was he an unethical hunter? Some might say yes to that, but it would not be true either! Ted actually says to our proponents what we want to say to them! But when its said it is politically incorrect and the media runs with it!

It disgusts me that they can be over the top towards demonizing 2A or hunting, but when someone comes back at them it is unacceptable.

And besides Ted is not being drawn out and punished for his comments, hunting ethics, etc. He is being punished and drawn out for his political affiliations....we all know that too!

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Tomcat you beat me to it!

Teds been hunting longer than many of us have been alive, and if you read his books or watched his vids you would have no doubt as to his passion for the outdoor sports. His problems have always been with the "laws" not with the "ethics", (last I checked they were not one and the same).

Da Nuge has to walk a fine line. He has political enemies on the left, big time, looking for ANY way to take him down the way they take down people like Sarah Palin and probably their opposition in the NEXT election. I think one must understand this fact before dumping on him for ANYthing.

I have been popped by the warden once, not properly cutting out the dates on the tag which had been changed and kinda threw me off. I paid the fine, but I thought it was pretty chicken poop if ya know what I mean. My fault, though, shoulda been thinkin' a little more about it. Dump on me, too, if you think you're so perfect and walk on water and all that, don't really care. One of these days, you're going to do something out of ignorance, probably already have, whether you were caught or not. I don't sit down and study EVERYthing Texas changes from year to year except duck limits and fishing limits and seasons. They're changing all the time. Add to this the fact that every state has different laws and Ted can afford to hunt all over the friggin' planet. Me, I just have to keep up with Texas. New Mexico is the only other state I've ever hunted in.

X-Rap said:

I bet there are 10,000's of game violation per yr. Ted or any other celeb will be highlighted by the media and game departments for the simple reason that he/they are high profile and it gives all those involved in the case a higher profile as well, 15 sec. of fame so to speak.
I question those who say he is unethical and also those who challenge his motives. THR as a whole probably doesn't add up to what he spends in time and money to promote the sport of shooting/hunting and anti drug/alcohol message to kids.




Totally agree

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You're right, why have any regulations at all, lets all just do what we wish to do, when we wish too! I mean whats the problem with leaving a wounded bear for someone else to deal with? In fact, lets just board trains, planes, or automobiles and shoot every animal we see, just as our forebears were so fond of doing, thats how we wiped out 10,000,000 bison.

Now that I got that out of my system, once years ago, I one a lottery to hunt buffalo near Delta Junction, I'll never forget it as long as I live. We got down there, and there they were(the buffalo)standing on the other side of a fenced enclosure, I declined the opportunity, though I am sure that there are more than a few of you here, along with Mr Nugent, that wouldn't have passed it up. I was born in the bush, I've hunted and trapped almost all of my life, but I'm not a killer, its a shame that so many don't know the difference.

"You're right, why have any regulations at all, lets all just do what we wish to do, when we wish too!"

Sorry, but that's just plain silly. Has nothing at all to do with much of anything.

The issue, actually, is keeping up with changes in hunting regulations from year to year. My point, above, is that it's all too easy to overlook some minor change and have no evil intent whatsoever.

As example, some years back the Texas regs were changed in some counties: Antlers had to be of a minimum width, among other things. It wasn't clear if you would or would not be charged with an offense if your "good-eye" field measurement was short by a small fraction of an inch.

"Shooting light": A half-hour before sunrise until a half-hour before sunset. Fine. How much leeway is there between your solunar tables, the game warden's opinion, and what you thought was legal?

I have trouble keeping track of just one state's regs. Lord help me if I went all over the country...