Obama Is Still our Best Salesman

buck460XVR said:

But again....this has nuttin to do with the politicians in Washington, but all about panic buying because of unfounded fear. Some of it(just like 4 years ago) is because retailers motivated by profit and greed tend to keep visible inventory low hoping it will look like a shortage and motivate the buyer to take all there is. If folks were so worried, why did they wait till now to stock up? Reminds me of the old sayin' "A fool and his money are soon parted".

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It isn't all unfounded fear or panic.

Some of us would appreciate it if you stopped demeaning people for purchasing items at this point in time. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for doing so, some of which have been very succinctly articulated in this very thread

Warp:
Its not demeaning to point out the obvious. The last "panic buy" was unfounded, period. It was the product of speculation and fear from 1994's fiasco. It served to do nothing but separate a lot of gunowners from money above and beyond what they would have paid otherwise.
The simple fact: there is no evidence to support the idea of another AWB. Even less than in 2008 The ONLY facts being stated here to support such an idea are all "what-ifs" with no basis except "it happened before"
This fails to recognize that a large part of the reason it is very unlikely to happen again is that yes, it did happen before, and the results were NOT positive, politically.
Did anyone actually see the AWB question being asked, who it was asked by, and the presidents actual response?

HE DID NOT VOLUNTEER AN AWB. HE WAS ASKED ABOUT ITS REINSTATEMENT AND RESPONDED DIRECTLY.

It was a question posed by a scared little old lady.
The president backed away from it as quickly as a democratic candidate running for a highly contested office could.

I'm not saying he's pro-gun, or that deep in his heart he wouldn't love to see an AWB. I'm saying I'm sure he knows better and so do the dems.
For petes sake, when Wal-mart is selling Colt AR-15's, times have CHANGED from 1994, and even from 2008.

silicosys4 said:

The ONLY facts being stated here to support such an idea are all "what-ifs" with no basis except "it happened before"

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You act as if "it happened before" is not a legitimate reason to believe it could happen again.

lulz

Lol, in the context, No, its not a legitimate reason to believe it could happen again. There are too many cities planted next to dormant volcanoes to believe that "because it has erupted in the past" means it is DEFINITELY going to erupt again AT ANY TIME.
Indeed, past eruptions often blow enough crap into the atmosphere to make sure it doesn't happen again anytime soon. Pressures got to build, you know?
There are warning signs, and in this case, the ground is not rumbling.

Don't step outside your door today, you could get hit struck by lightning. "Its happened before".

silicosys4 said:

Lol, in the context, No, its not a legitimate reason to believe it could happen again. There are too many cities planted next to dormant volcanoes to believe that "because it has erupted in the past" means it is DEFINITELY going to erupt again AT ANY TIME.
Indeed, past eruptions often blow enough crap into the atmosphere to make sure it doesn't happen again anytime soon. Pressures got to build, you know?
There are warning signs, and in this case, the ground is not rumbling.

Don't step outside your door today, you could get hit struck by lightning. "Its happened before".

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If you only prepare for things that you think will DEFINITELY happen again AT ANY TIME, you are doing it wrong.

Warp said:

It isn't all unfounded fear or panic.

Some of us would appreciate it if you stopped demeaning people for purchasing items at this point in time.

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I'm sorry, are you suggesting I applaud those that wait till the panic begins to start stockpiling? Are you saying that it is not indeed foolish to wait till after the rush begins and the prices are high to begin preparing? You really believe that folks need to pay thru the nose and buy whatever is left over because of something that might happen without any legitimate evidence that it will? Again, even if there is concern, why would an intelligent person wait till the last minute?

Warp said:

There are plenty of legitimate reasons for doing so, some of which have been very succinctly articulated in this very thread

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Where? All I have seen is a lot of maybe/might happen. No real evidence, just innuendos and again, unfounded fear. Again, if one was really concerned, why weren't they preparing the last four years knowing how hard it is to unseat an incumbent President? Wishing in one hand while pooping in the other perhaps? I wonder which one filled up on Nov 6th?

The panic buying should have started back in May when we know Romney would get the nomination. At that time it was clear that whoever won would be an anti.

Lol, makes me want to open a gunshop...for about 8 months.

buck460XVR said:

Again, if one was really concerned, why weren't they preparing the last four years

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Financial limitations.

Recent entry into the relevant market.

Husker_Fan said:

The panic buying should have started back in May when we know Romney would get the nomination. At that time it was clear that whoever won would be an anti.

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I got my AR in June, actually.

Lol, makes me want to open a gunshop...for about 8 months.

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True.

What it will make me do is purchase every single .223/5.56 and 9mm round I can get my hands on in june of 2014- august 2014.

I will then open my internet sales cubicle on october of 2016.

My estimates based on doing this roughly equate to a 200% margin from the prices I'm seeing folks buying things for now, versus the comparable period of the last election cycle.

For a long time I thought that this was gouging.

I've learned in all of this that its not- its simply supply and paranoia induced demand.

We do this to ourselves- plain and simple.

It's happened three times now in my adult lifetime... and the only thing I can deduce from it is that people like it.

So, regardless of who or what the result is- look for 4yearoldammo.com in 2016- I'll see ya there.

blarby said:

True.

What it will make me do is purchase every single .223/5.56 and 9mm round I can get my hands on in june of 2014- august 2014.

I will then open my internet sales cubicle on october of 2016.

My estimates based on doing this roughly equate to a 200% margin from the prices I'm seeing folks buying things for now, versus the comparable period of the last election cycle.

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How the heck did you get 200%?

You do realize you can currently buy 1,000 rounds of 9mm for <$200, right?

Do you realize that I just bought 1,000 rounds of brass case .223 for $336, shipped, two weeks ago? And that that deal was available through Wed morning last week? That same case can currently be had for $380, shipped. That is a whopping 13% price increase

Warp said:

Some of them, yes, but at a premium of $50 or so over what they cost a couple weeks ago.

Some of them, no, because they are out of stock.

A couple weeks ago I ordered 1,000 rounds of quality, brass case .223 for $336 shipped. If you can show me where that deal is currently available, I'm all ears.

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It's crazy.

Believe it or not we feel the pain here in South Africa. As much of our reloading gear and components are sourced from the States we too will be in for a drought as you boys buy up all the stock then the prices lift.

Our hunting season start in April, about the time it takes for the full efffect of the buying spree to be felt here, then we are up the creek without a paddle. Perhaps we should have stocked up as well?

Curiously, if Romney got in would you all have sold some rifles and ammo .

Andrew Leigh said:

It's crazy.

Believe it or not we feel the pain here in South Africa. As much of our reloading gear and components are sourced from the States we too will be in for a drought as you boys buy up all the stock then the prices lift.

Our hunting season start in April, about the time it takes for the full efffect of the buying spree to be felt here, then we are up the creek without a paddle. Perhaps we should have stocked up as well?

Curiously, if Romney got in would you all have sold some rifles and ammo .

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Romney is the one with an AWB on his record. Not a whole lot better there.

I don't believe anything will happen...but there is a (remote) possibility, and enough other people have got themselves worked up into a frenzy that that dictates having what one needs for a little while

Do you realize that I just bought 1,000 rounds of brass case .223 for $336, shipped, two weeks ago?

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Do you realize, In july 2008, that 1k in bulk lots of 10k pieces was about $160 ?

Good mil bulk too, all shootey shootey.

Thats where I get the doubling. Your offer actually makes it a lot better.

A minor note, i'm very sorry you paid 33c ea to shoot .223.

I could make them for a little over half that :/

blarby said:

Do you realize, In july 2008, that 1k in bulk lots of 10k pieces was about $160 ?

Good mil bulk too, all shootey shootey.

Thats where I get the 200%. Your offer actually makes it a lot better than 200%.

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I don't think it was quite that low, but regardless...that won't be happening again.

A lot has affected the cost of ammunition since then, including a rise in the cost of the raw materials. That won't be dropping again.

Right- its not. Ammo will never be that cheap again.

But materials cost had a lot less to do with the price increase than all of "this" did.

I have a strong feeling that $280 worth of common ammo a year from now, is going to worth about 5-600 next election cycle.

MAinly, again, due to ourselves.

Let's hope not

Warp said:

A lot has affected the cost of ammunition since then, including a rise in the cost of the raw materials. That won't be dropping again.

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Sharp increases of ammo purchases after an election isn't a symptom of rational shopping based on raw material cost increases.

Neverwinter said:

Sharp increases of ammo purchases after an election isn't a symptom of rational shopping based on raw material cost increases.

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Is that what happened? The prices from summer 2008 held until last week? No, it is not.


In terms of pre/post election, the example I calculated was 13%. Not that sharp of an increase.

What worries me more than Obama being in office for the next four years and all his cronies like Feinstein and Pelosi pushing for numerous bans and regulations, is the probability that he will be nominating 2 new Supreme Court Justices. Take one guess on what their stance will be regarding any Second Amendment cases brought forth to them. Even if nothing drastic is proposed in the next four years eventually it will be and any anti-gun legislation brought before the court will not be to our favor. They will have the next forty years to ram what they want down our throats.

I agree with you though Warp. We all need to not let our guard down with people like Feinstein in office. The gun owner really did not have a good choice for their platform from the POTUS candidates. Cacoltguy, you are right about Feinstein, but I was recently disappointed with one of the more conservative judges that was appointed. The truth is none of us have a crystal ball that works, so we have to be proactive. We have to make sure our representatives know our stand. We also need a stronger voice and community. It is all good when people come out of the wood works when our 2A rights are challenged, but it seems a lot of the support there does not last long. My LGS was a hysterical mess with people saying "we'll that's it, our guns are as good as gone" etc. Educate others on how "Executive Orders" really works, that helps to ease the panic.

Originally Posted by buck460XVR
Again, if one was really concerned, why weren't they preparing the last four years

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Financial limitations.

Recent entry into the relevant market.

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Funny how people don't have money to prep buy but have money to panic buy...when things are more expensive.

People did it the first time around as well.

People did it the first time around as well.

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Consistency ought to count for something.

Funny how people don't have money to prep buy but have money to panic buy...when things are more expensive.

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This is so true and it's so annoying!

I work at a gun shop and it's been crazy since the election. I have people coming into the shop asking what to buy because Obama is back in office. I simply tell to them that maybe they should just buy what they need and they all stare at me with a blank look like I'm insane for being calm about the whole situation.

Seriously, it's so sad how people buy and buy simply because they think their gun rights are in danger and this is a complete repeat of what happened the fist time Obama got elected and guess what, nothing happened!

All panic buyers do is reduce inventory for shops and suppliers and cause prices to go up as a result which only makes it a burden on those who aren't panic buying.

If you are a panic buyer you need to step back and take a deep breath and realize the sky is not falling. Buy what you need and have fun and stop wasting your money on crap you don't really want just because you think there is a chance it might be taken away from you, it's only hurting everyone.

Stop, wait, what's that sound? Everybody look what's goin' down...

...lots of traffic goin' up and down the roads around here. Man, better break-out the green-tips, but can't find my magazines. Where are they? Put them someplace obvious in '94, but I've slept since then! Jeeves, what happened to all the "stuff"! Moved 5 time since then!

Attrition. Gotta be.

Really, gonna take a watch and wait posture here. Got enough "stuff" to keep the family fed with critters-n-taters.

All I'm lookin' to buy is an expensive set of electronic earmuffs, as my present set unseated from my left ear when I turned slightly and sent a .45 downrange next to the left range wall into the silhouette with my XD-S. Still can't hear out of the ear much, after a few days. Debated putting the earplugs in too, but got in a rush. Stupid. Protect your hearing. It only takes one round indoors to damage it.

Anyway, lookin' at the proears lineup. Heck, buy whatcha need, and need whatcha buy.