stickhauler
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I'd disagree, the latest poll numbers I've seen on public perception of firearms, and firearm ownership is much better than at any time in my life.
Sunday Night Football anti-gun sermon
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I think only the loudest liberals are really countering against the "gun culture." The ignorant masses that still expect some form of government to protect them in their day to day tasks are having to re-evaluate due to all the violence in the news (even in the strictest states such as CA and NY and NJ). Public perception of guns is rapidly changing in our favor. FBI background check numbers have increased greatly and reportedly made them shut down at some point recently due to the high volume.
It's kind of funny, considering that as anti-gun the media has been, yet their need to cover gory violence has completely backfired on them to the point of people arming themselves because of all the crazies out there that will kill for seemingly no reason at all.
does anybody know how to get a direct email to mr. costas or nbc? i mean a direct route, not some flunky aide or secretary. i would like to respond to last nights anti-gun rant. its no surprise to me. its nbc. between them and the rest of the liberal tv outlets if obama stops short, they would fly strait up obamas ass.
Carl N. Brown
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800 people were beaten or kicked to death in the U.S. in 2010. Over 700 for 2011. So we are to believe that a football player could not kill a woman with his brute strength?
Motive is the most important thing. We need to examine why Alpha males in failed relationships kill their partners then themselves.
I will repeat this wherever whenever I think it is appropriate: Criminologist Marvin Wolfgang hated guns. He stated if he were Mustapha Mond, dictator of the world in Huxley's "Brave New World" he would ban all guns from the civilian population and most of the police.
He also studied hundreds of real murder cases.
"More than the availability of a shooting weapon is involved in homicide. Pistols and revolvers are not difficult to purchase (on the street) ... The type of weapon used appears to be, in part, the culmination of assault intentions or events and is only superficially related to causality. To measure quantitatively the effect of the presence of firearms on the homicide rate would require knowing the number and type of homicides that would not have occurred had not the offender_ or, in some cases, the victim_ possessed a gun. Research would require determination of the number of shootings that would have been stabbings, beatings, or some other method of inflicting death had no gun been available. It is the contention of this observer that few homicides due to shootings could be avoided merely if a firearm were not immediately present, and that the offender would select some other weapon to achieve the same destructive goal. Probably only in those cases where a felon kills a police officer, or vice versa, would homicide be avoided in the absence of a firearm." M. WOLFGANG, PATTERNS IN CRIMINAL HOMICIDE 82-83 (1958). (my emphasis added)
Details. Wolfgang studied the homicide files of the Philadelphia Police Homicide Squad, 588 criminal himicides (588 victims, 621 offenders, years 1948-1952) and his study was published 1958 (U PA, Oxford U and John Wiley). During part of the study Wolfgang rode with the homicide squad; he was sitting in the homicide squad one night and a murderer walked in and surrendered to him and confessed. Of 550 known victim-offender relationships 65% were close friend, family member, lover, homosexual partner, etc.
Side issue: "Pistols and revolvers are not difficult to purchase (on the street)" and that was 1950s Philadelphia. My experience has been that casual or criminal sales of guns (often stolen) were common among hoods in my neighborhood in the 1950s and 1960s. If anything, the federal gun laws starting with the 1968 Gun Control Act have strengthened the black market while making hoops for the lawabiding to jump through.
Motive is the most important thing. We need to examine why Alpha males in failed relationships kill their partners then themselves.
I will repeat this wherever whenever I think it is appropriate: Criminologist Marvin Wolfgang hated guns. He stated if he were Mustapha Mond, dictator of the world in Huxley's "Brave New World" he would ban all guns from the civilian population and most of the police.
He also studied hundreds of real murder cases.
"More than the availability of a shooting weapon is involved in homicide. Pistols and revolvers are not difficult to purchase (on the street) ... The type of weapon used appears to be, in part, the culmination of assault intentions or events and is only superficially related to causality. To measure quantitatively the effect of the presence of firearms on the homicide rate would require knowing the number and type of homicides that would not have occurred had not the offender_ or, in some cases, the victim_ possessed a gun. Research would require determination of the number of shootings that would have been stabbings, beatings, or some other method of inflicting death had no gun been available. It is the contention of this observer that few homicides due to shootings could be avoided merely if a firearm were not immediately present, and that the offender would select some other weapon to achieve the same destructive goal. Probably only in those cases where a felon kills a police officer, or vice versa, would homicide be avoided in the absence of a firearm." M. WOLFGANG, PATTERNS IN CRIMINAL HOMICIDE 82-83 (1958). (my emphasis added)
Details. Wolfgang studied the homicide files of the Philadelphia Police Homicide Squad, 588 criminal himicides (588 victims, 621 offenders, years 1948-1952) and his study was published 1958 (U PA, Oxford U and John Wiley). During part of the study Wolfgang rode with the homicide squad; he was sitting in the homicide squad one night and a murderer walked in and surrendered to him and confessed. Of 550 known victim-offender relationships 65% were close friend, family member, lover, homosexual partner, etc.
Side issue: "Pistols and revolvers are not difficult to purchase (on the street)" and that was 1950s Philadelphia. My experience has been that casual or criminal sales of guns (often stolen) were common among hoods in my neighborhood in the 1950s and 1960s. If anything, the federal gun laws starting with the 1968 Gun Control Act have strengthened the black market while making hoops for the lawabiding to jump through.
friscolatchi
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I think that Costas, whoever he is, should be talking about football and the multiple concussions that this anger ridden, unable to forgive, over paid, self centered individual "suffered" from. I say ban football. Mr Costas exhibits the credo of the day - "Never let a crisis go to waste".
They, the anti's, would have you think that there weren't murders, or fewer, before someone figured that gunpowder, a projectile and a tube can be use as a weapon.
They, the anti's, would have you think that there weren't murders, or fewer, before someone figured that gunpowder, a projectile and a tube can be use as a weapon.
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Carl N. Brown
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In the 1950s the Gallup Poll showed 75% public support for banning handguns.
In the 2010s the Gallup Poll showed 25% public support for banning handguns.
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To me "gun culture" means a lot of things: individual responsibility, self respect and defense of rights, respect for rights of others and defense of same, hunting and outdoor sports, target shooting as a skill, civilian marksmanship practice to promote national defense, the history of gun design and use by military and law enforcement, and giving the weak or out-numbered the means to defend against the thugs and the gangs.
The anti-gunners want to define "gun culture" as nothing but hideous negativities. I think the football commentator is projecting, though, all the hideous negativity associated with football culture on gun owners.
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If enough people call, email, & write in, maybe, just maybe, they will discourage such rants in the future. Otherwise nothing will change. After all, numbers of viewers is big business. Very big. Let them know millions of law abiding gun owners watch SNF, and did not appreciate the anti gun rant.
Carl N. Brown
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stickhauler #49
Thanks for the reminder. Soldiers oath, support and defend the Constitution, means support and defend the rights of all, even those we disagree with.
Thanks for the reminder. Soldiers oath, support and defend the Constitution, means support and defend the rights of all, even those we disagree with.
powell&hyde
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E-mail sent, after his remark I switched channels and fired off an email last night.
To be fair, Costas was quoting Jason Whitlock who wrote this article.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...phan-daughter-why-still-playing-sunday-120112
Whitlock works for Fox. NBC shouldn't get all the blame.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...phan-daughter-why-still-playing-sunday-120112
Whitlock works for Fox. NBC shouldn't get all the blame.
Just like we have a 2nd Amendment to gun rights he has a freedom of speech but,..... "NOT VERY SMART!"
I wonder just how many freedom loving football loving red blooded Americans have just boycotted NBC & Costas and his socialistic views.
Just because you have a right to free speech does not necessarily mean you "Should" say it. If it were my network, and I had no idea what he was planning to say, I would have reprimanded him for bad publicity and bad judgment on his part you are there to commentate football not political policy on national TV... but this is NBC, no doubt they are probably giving him a raise! 
I wonder just how many freedom loving football loving red blooded Americans have just boycotted NBC & Costas and his socialistic views. Just because you have a right to free speech does not necessarily mean you "Should" say it. If it were my network, and I had no idea what he was planning to say, I would have reprimanded him for bad publicity and bad judgment on his part you are there to commentate football not political policy on national TV... but this is NBC, no doubt they are probably giving him a raise! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOi7If0zW9s
Costas said "... Whitlock, with whom I do not always agree but who today said it so well that today, we may as well just quote or paraphrase from the end of his article."
Costas said "... Whitlock, with whom I do not always agree but who today said it so well that today, we may as well just quote or paraphrase from the end of his article."
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Dear Mr. Costas:
Your view on firearms is well intentioned, but it's not the firearm. If we suddenly outlawed firearms there'd be a black market the likes of which we've never seen. Also, crimes with knives and baseball bats would go through the roof and law-abiding citizens would be rendered defenseless since we'd be the only ones obeying the law.
The answers that we all seek go way beyond an inanimate object, but that's a whole other discussion that I'll maybe resume if I run for Congress.
Thanks and best wishes.
Sincerely,
Dear Mr. Costas:
Your view on firearms is well intentioned, but it's not the firearm. If we suddenly outlawed firearms there'd be a black market the likes of which we've never seen. Also, crimes with knives and baseball bats would go through the roof and law-abiding citizens would be rendered defenseless since we'd be the only ones obeying the law.
The answers that we all seek go way beyond an inanimate object, but that's a whole other discussion that I'll maybe resume if I run for Congress.
Thanks and best wishes.
Sincerely,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w264tNEcqRw#t=262s
Much better insight from KC's young quarterback than Mr. Costas showed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w264tNEcqRw#t=262s
Much better insight from KC's young quarterback than Mr. Costas showed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w264tNEcqRw#t=262s
Lawdawg45
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Mr. Costas was recently here in Indianapolis for a broadcast of our Colts game. What our little midget hypocrite fails to mention in his uninformed rant is the fact that he was/is/will be guarded by layers of armed Police Officers at every appearance. He also assumes that a 230 lb professional football player would be unable to kill his 130 lb girlfriend with his bare hands, let alone a knife, brick or fireplace poker. Same old ignorant misguided rant from the left.
After thought. Since Bob has equated all the ills of society on handguns, shouldn't we remove his multiple armed guards and allow the general public access to our friend without the presence of evil weapons? Trust me, none of my fellow Officers enjoy guarding this arrogant as* with a severe case of short man's syndrome.
LD
After thought. Since Bob has equated all the ills of society on handguns, shouldn't we remove his multiple armed guards and allow the general public access to our friend without the presence of evil weapons? Trust me, none of my fellow Officers enjoy guarding this arrogant as* with a severe case of short man's syndrome.
LD
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Except for the fact that Costas is representing NBC. If him voicing his thoughts harms his employer...they have every right to fire him.
The First Amendment protects him from the Government, not from his employer. Just like The First Amendment doesn't protect us from the moderators on this board.
^^^^^^^This.
The First Amendment does not protect your from the private company that employs you. Saying stupid stuff has consequences. It had not place in a venue of entertainment. I don't want to hear politics, I want to hear football commentary. I can't believe anything Costas says anymore and will not watch him nor NBC, and I have let them know that.
The First Amendment does not protect your from the private company that employs you. Saying stupid stuff has consequences. It had not place in a venue of entertainment. I don't want to hear politics, I want to hear football commentary. I can't believe anything Costas says anymore and will not watch him nor NBC, and I have let them know that.
Neo-Luddite
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OK--so how can we Zumbo this monkey?
I don't think Costas should be fired if he was expressing his opionions on his own time....although still NBC would be within their rights. But, Costas used NBC to express his opinion. He was representing NBC, but for all I know, NBC might even have pre approved his rant.
BoilerUP
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Don't care what Costas or Whitlock think, they are entitled to their opinions...no matter how misguided or naive they are.
Less Costas, more Faith Hill on SNF!
Less Costas, more Faith Hill on SNF!
I'm not saying Costas should be fired, just that it is well within NBC's rights. However, I do think he should be made to retract his statement. We are watching footbal, not MSNBC. He should stick to football commentary not politics.
Tim the student
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Sorry if I missed it, but is there a fairly comprehensive list of advertisers we can write to?
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