Gun business exodus begins in Colorado

I also join the "they don't care" mantra. Antis don't care. Let them live in their cocoons of self-defined false security.

Personally, I will stay away from them all, including the states they reside. Their philosophy of life, while certainly their own, and I respect, is not mine.

Fortunately, I live in the South, where we are relatively free of self-imposed personal prisons.

I spent some time in the Northeast. The most miserable years of my life, because I came from the South, and couldn't believe the culturally dysfunctional attitudes and laws. The grass certainly was not greener. I may understand their fear of violence, as it is all they know, all they have lived.

I asked several why they didn't consider moving to less violence prone areas, and that was not a solution for them. Passing more laws was their solution; sound familiar?

NPR did a segment concerning the loss of jobs and revenue due to firearms industry relocating to friendlier territory.
Their "analysis" was that Colorado would be losing a few hundred jobs due to magpul leaving. Nothing more, plenty where those came from. They brushed on the lost revenue to hunting guides and outfitters and supporting industry, but since those are all "filthy gunowners" who cares.
Their basic theme was that Colorado is going to be a lot better off, and it only cost them a few hundred jobs, and its only those "unclean gun nuts" who will be suffering.
Really shows the bias in NPR if they can't get the basic economics down, and how the loss of a few hundred U.S. based manufacturing jobs is no big deal.....not to mention MILLIONS in lost revenue.....

Lets look at this from another perspective:

If you have tyrannical laws that run off firearms/parts manufacturers, and you lose several hundred jobs...hoopty damn doo.

But, businesses pop up daily. You've (CO) just advertised to potential employers and revenue generators that are RKBA-friendly that they'd be better off somewhere else, not your state.

Good luck, CO. :banghead:

Re any of those companies moving to Texas. On other forums, native Texans are bemoaning Texas going blue in the years ahead. Magpul, et al, might be going through the same thing all over again in a few years.

Maybe not. Just saying.

If I was Magpul I would be going to Kansas, they just told off the AG. Kansas will back the 2nd Amendment!

SunnySlopes said:

Re any of those companies moving to Texas. On other forums, native Texans are bemoaning Texas going blue in the years ahead. Magpul, et al, might be going through the same thing all over again in a few years.

Maybe not. Just saying.

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A piece of Colt is moving to Texas just West of D/FW. I sure hope that Magpul comes here as well.

http://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=16888

The company doing the moving is Bold Ideas, which manufactures Colt Competition rifles, including two AR-15 pattern rifles. Bold Ideas is apparently a licensee of Colt (their logo appears on Colt Competition’s website), but not Colt itself. They’re moving to Breckenridge, Texas, which is around 100 miles west of Ft. Worth.

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I think this is great. These companies who are moving to states that support our basic rights deserve our support both moral and financially. I will be sure to do so. I've already purchased the magpul iPhone case to show my support for them! I'll be purchasing pmags when they become easier to find.

You are not going to see for example Colt Manufacturing pack up their toys and move

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"A firearms company that makes will open a plant in Breckenridge in Stephens County (North Texas).

...The move by Colt Competition into Breckenridge comes as the CEO of Colt Manufacturing in Connecticut has said there will soon be few good answers to keep his company in the state. Connecticut passed some of the nation’s most restrictive gun laws this week."

Clearly the CEO of Colt is hinting that this won't be the only move by the company. It sounds like he intends to move the entire company in fact and it's happening because of the new gun laws in Conn.. He says there will be no good reason to keep his company in the state. He certainly seems to be talking about the entire company IMO.

I've also heard that Remington is seriously considering moving it's operations out of NY. These companies have customers that pay attention. They will also be subject to the laws of the state which means very limited magazine capacity which would be a killer to many rifles including the 10/22. What I'm hearing is that Remington may move 1200 jobs within 9 months because of microstamping laws in NY.

So the large gun companies are very much considering moving away from the gun banning states. Remington is one of the biggest gun makers in the nation. Remember they just moved the Marlin operation partially to NY from Conn.. It could be moving again very soon.

I think you're very wrong about these companies not being willing to move and the effect it will have on the economy of the states they are leaving. Imagine living in Illion, NY where a new plant was just put in operation a few years ago and watching it move again because of politics. Don't forget Remington makes a lot of ammo in NY too. This could be a huge blow to local economies especially in places like Ilion.

Gun manufacturing has been a big boon to the economy of Conn. for almost 200 years. Much of that business has moved on already because of overbearing laws at least in part. I'm pretty sure the government there has totally finished off a tradition that goes back 200 years or more. It was pretty much the foundation of the industrial revolution in that state. Connecticut became known as the "the arsenal of democracy." Eli Whitney began making firearms there in 1797 if that tells you anything and the gun industry was huge in that state for over 200 years. Remington began operations in Ilion in 1816. It doesn't appear it will make it to 200 years. It may fall about 2 years short.

Those companies created the industrial revolution and now they are getting kicked in the groin by the very people that benefited the most from their efforts. What a country.

CSestp said:

Maybe i am in the wrong here, but i find it almost appalling that members of the gun community are championing the the failure of a State of the union economically just because of its enforcement of policy it chooses to follow. I understand the disagreement of the policy, but to damn them for it is un-American. I also may have just mis-interpreted what some members have posted

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I would choose not to spend my $$ in a state which legalized slavery, supported lynching or granted the 'right' to beat up women.

"policy disagreement" is not equatable to direct and flagrant violation of basic human rights.

It'll hurt Colorado more than people realize. Each of those employees takes lunch breaks at neighboring restaurants. They shop at local stores for goods and services. Their families shop. People who vacation spend money at hotels, on vacation homes, on resorts, and on expensive meals. It's not going to be a pittance.

Compared to Ball Aerospace (among dozens of like-size corporations) the little outfits aren't even on the radar of the state budget guys. The fact they're even being acknowledged by the media and politicians of the state is testament to how vocal gun rights supporters have been.

The state leadership should, and need to, care far more about how many Coloradans are sympathetic to the persecution of this minority group, and will act and vote accordingly. The disrespect with which these legitimate businesses have been treated could only be topped by outright seizure or closure of their facilities, and that should give pause to many other "defense-related" industries and their conservative employees.

TCB

The notion that losing a few small businesses won't hurt an economy is a big reason our government continues to hurt our economy so much. Losing the gun industry has to hurt the economy, which is plenty bad enough already.

CZguy said:

You might consider visiting Texas then for a vacation. Lines do seem to be being drawn.

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I've been seeing the odd item here & there that make me think that now that Kolorado has fallen Bloomberg's next target is Texas.

I agree there is much for any company to consider before moving any size operation and the larger maybe more difficult it is, maybe. But to think the companies in the North East will not move is missing some facts as they have done it at least with the textile industry years ago as they did major move to the south, true for lower cost of operation but also friendlier business environment which the lower salary was part of the friendlier business environment. You have to remember the NE is heavy union and many manufacturing jobs are leaving there just due to the unions even now.

Not sure the details with the move but Met Life Ins just a few weeks ago announced one of the largest JOB moves into North Carolina by a single company in years, from Rhode Island if not mistaken.

At same time think you will find the anti gun attitude of many of those states we are concerned about is not the ONLY attitude nor regulations that is upsetting if I may say so many of the moral and reasonable thinking people of those areas who are also leaving there. Believe me, we get a lot in this area every year.

The only big loss will happen when Beretta leaves ghetto loving Maryland.

Pilot said:

Last time I checked, privately owned companies could move anywhere they wanted. That is capitalism, and American. They don't even need a reason to move if their ownership desires.

I applaud these companies.

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Well let's face it. In Magpul's case they may have to move! They manufacture a product that is now illegal in that state in which it is made. While a political statement might get made, they've got a business reason to move!

ReloadRon has a point. Losing a few hundred Jobs will not hurt a place like Chicago or Rockford. However, some of the small towns in western Illinois would be affected. ArmaLite and others like them are scattered across western Il. and they employ hundreds. If they pack up it hurts. Maybe not enough to make big changes, but it hurts.

Come to tx

That's when a complete & comprehensive boycott of all business and association with the fascist, fallen state is well-indicated and necessitated. Individually, we may not make much difference, but once we collaborate and reach a proper critical mass, they might begin to feel the breeze.

Bold Ideas/Colt Competition is a standalone business & no part of Colt. That is not Colt moving to Texas.
Colt hasn't even done anything to follow through on the Florida option, at last report.
Denis

Maybe i am in the wrong here, but i find it almost appalling that members of the gun community are championing the the failure of a State of the union economically just because of its enforcement of policy it chooses to follow. I understand the disagreement of the policy, but to damn them for it is un-American. I also may have just mis-interpreted what some members have posted

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Yup, I'm all for the economic collapse of any entity that tries to strip me or my fellow Americans of their rights.

Colt Competition has moved to Breckenridge, TX.

Not to get too political but I submit that there is a correlation between a state being gun friendly and being business friendly. The same forces that wish to control, don't stop at guns.

parisite said:

Colt Competition has moved to Breckenridge, TX.

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They are from Oregon.. expanding and not leaving Oregon.