Ruger SR9 and CZ75; compare and contrast
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Wow. What a choice. They are incredibly different fire arms. I have shot both and own a witness. C75 Clone. The CZ is an awesome pistol, on of my all time favorites. But it is big, it is heavy, and as an every day carry well, its a lot of metal to lug around.
If I was coming from a full size 1911 platform. I'd get the CZ.
The Ruger is a very underrated pistol, shoots well. I don't know of anyone who has shot one that was not able to shoot it well. They may not have liked it, but it works. (I think they give the G19 a good run for its money). It is much smaller and lighter, but its not a CZ.
Wow what a choice. Good luck. I would probably end up with both of them which is no answer at all. Sorry.
If I was coming from a full size 1911 platform. I'd get the CZ.
The Ruger is a very underrated pistol, shoots well. I don't know of anyone who has shot one that was not able to shoot it well. They may not have liked it, but it works. (I think they give the G19 a good run for its money). It is much smaller and lighter, but its not a CZ.
Wow what a choice. Good luck. I would probably end up with both of them which is no answer at all. Sorry.
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MrWesson said:
Good point, if you start from hammer down (or from the half-cock notch.) I tend to carry a CZ, when I carry a CZ, cocked and locked, and that's a pretty consistent trigger. <grin>.
I know, however, that not everybody will do that. The decocker models have a different first and second trigger pull, but they're not as different as the first and second pulls of the non-decocker models (which was your point, above.)
CZ makes a full range of pistols based on the 75 pattern. From full size, all steel pistols to compact, and sub compact, lightweight pistols either alloy framed or polymer. You don't have to "lug" anything around if you don't want to in the CZ line.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/by-category/handguns/
Funny this topic is here. I am headed to the range with a CZ 75BD and an SR9c. I'll never sell either as I really like both.
I really like both, but standing at a counter with cash in hand and not already owning either, I'm going CZ every time. The quality in the final product is the difference maker. The triggers are both really good but different. The Ergos on the CZ are great, the Ruger is good enough.
I really like both, but standing at a counter with cash in hand and not already owning either, I'm going CZ every time. The quality in the final product is the difference maker. The triggers are both really good but different. The Ergos on the CZ are great, the Ruger is good enough.
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The way I see it is this - I would buy the CZ 75B right now over any polymer-framed gun.
CZ's have been getting more expensive, and I could see them approaching BHP like prices in a few years - same with all quality, steel-framed firearms.
CZ's have been getting more expensive, and I could see them approaching BHP like prices in a few years - same with all quality, steel-framed firearms.
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kokapelli, did you not continue on to the second line in my post? I'll help you...
CZ's have been getting more expensive, and I could see them approaching BHP like prices in a few years - same with all quality, steel-framed firearms.
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I would go with the CZ (or clone) myself, and have 6 times. An interesting compromise might be the SAR b6p, its a polymer full size CZ75 clone with seemingly thinner grips, your choice of carry conditions, and is compatable with CZ mags and holsters (but not my Fobus). The Witness line also has a polymer carry model but I have no experiance with it.
I try to stay away from the Magnum Research and other IWI versions because the safety is upside down(flip UP to fire) and that drives me nuts
I try to stay away from the Magnum Research and other IWI versions because the safety is upside down(flip UP to fire) and that drives me nuts
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I agree. I also have an SR9c, a CZ 75BD, and in a day or two will be receiving my new CZ 75 Compact. The SR9c is the best choice for carry of the three, as far as I'm concerned. I absolutely love mine, and I love my CZ's too.I have a cz75 and a sr9c. I love both. The sr9c FEELS much thinner and lighter to me and is what I would carry. I know the compact is a bit smaller than the sr9, but I dont think it's thinner than the fullsize. I shoot the sr9c very well. I have XL hands and still like how it fits me. I've shot a friend's sr9 and it didn't shoot or feel much different than my sr9c, though he has a ghost bar (forget the name exactly) installed.
Anyway, those are 2 of my favorite handguns, along with my p226You can't lose with either unless you happen to get a lemon. I did my research before buying both and they have pretty good records.
I have a problem with polymer guns. Most feel cheap, clunky, and are top heavy due to the lighter frame, and heavier steel slide. This includes the SR9 which I have shot A LOT because a shooting buddy has one. The toy like LCI flag is annoying, and I don't like the trigger at all. I had Mattel made guns as a kid that felt better. Seriously.
I'm a fan of both polymer framed and steel framed guns. Given the two choices, I'd go with the CZ75B. It is one of the few firearms that I've owned that has actually been 100% reliable through thousands of rounds. I can honestly count on one hand the number of firearms I have that can claim that and I have several $600+ handguns.
I also like the Tristar CZ clones. They're excellent and about $150 or so cheaper than the actual CZ. I bought my Tristar at Academy Sports for $350 out the door and it has been great so far and still looks brand new inside after a thousand rounds or so.
I also like the Tristar CZ clones. They're excellent and about $150 or so cheaper than the actual CZ. I bought my Tristar at Academy Sports for $350 out the door and it has been great so far and still looks brand new inside after a thousand rounds or so.
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There are a number of polymer framed CZ clones on the market right now - IWI, Tanfoglio, and Sarsilmaz are making most of them. I think they would be a closer comparison to the Ruger SR line, though still a very apples to oranges - hammer fired SA/DA vs striker fired.
I love CZ's and CZ clones, and I have a bunch of both. I like Ruger revolvers too, though I have no experience with Ruger semi autos, but other than some now resolved issues with early SR's, it seems hard to find anybody to complain about the function of a Ruger (plenty of people, myself included, who are more than happy to complain about the magazine safety, the loaded chamber indicator, and the other California friendly stuff).
I love CZ's and CZ clones, and I have a bunch of both. I like Ruger revolvers too, though I have no experience with Ruger semi autos, but other than some now resolved issues with early SR's, it seems hard to find anybody to complain about the function of a Ruger (plenty of people, myself included, who are more than happy to complain about the magazine safety, the loaded chamber indicator, and the other California friendly stuff).
I have wanted a CZ75 for quite a while. I like the Browning type grip that fits my hand extremely well. Ran into a TriStar L120 on sale the other day and decided to buy the CZ75B clone made in Turkey. The Turks have a good reputation for making well made firearms. I've been happy with the gun. Its a true clone that will use Mec Gar 16 round CZ mags, is accurate with a good trigger right out of the box. At a little over $300 with tax it is an economical choice to a "real" CZ.
One added note is that this gun has an alloy frame that trims the weight of the pistol down quite a bit (28oz) from the all steel CZ (39.5oz).
One added note is that this gun has an alloy frame that trims the weight of the pistol down quite a bit (28oz) from the all steel CZ (39.5oz).
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CZ without question. The 75 and P01 line are phenominal guns and among the best for self defense or duty. CZ touts the rigorous testing their handguns go through. There's a reason why they are one of the most copied designs in the history of the world.
Rugged, accurate, reliable, and nice lines.
Will also add that there is some evidence that their unique slide-inside-frame design adds accuracy to the gun. Not sure if it's true, but mine all function great (full disclosure, I did have my CZ97 break and I never had a chance to get it to the gunsmith; something internal went wrong).
As for the Ruger SR9. I shot one. It was not a memorable experience. I think that it'll be a passing fad pistol with limited following.
I own several CZs and I like them all. I wouldn't even consider an SR9 over a CZ75 compact for carry or home defense.
Rugged, accurate, reliable, and nice lines.
Will also add that there is some evidence that their unique slide-inside-frame design adds accuracy to the gun. Not sure if it's true, but mine all function great (full disclosure, I did have my CZ97 break and I never had a chance to get it to the gunsmith; something internal went wrong).
As for the Ruger SR9. I shot one. It was not a memorable experience. I think that it'll be a passing fad pistol with limited following.
I own several CZs and I like them all. I wouldn't even consider an SR9 over a CZ75 compact for carry or home defense.
Inverted slide rails are hardly unique to CZ.
For example, Star Firearms — Models 28, 30 & 31
Star Bonifacio Echeverria They produced the model 1908 pistol, substantially a Mannlicher Model 1900 in 6.35 ... Namely, these all had inverted slide rails.
the Sig 210 and the Sig petter and there are probably others.
I think the CZ 2075 Rami gets overlooked too often in these discussions. It is actually shorter and THINNER than the SR9c
SR9c
Length 6.85"
Height 4.61"
Width 1.27"
Weight 23.4 oz
CZ Rami
Length 6.5"
Height 4.7"
Width 1.25"
Weight 25.4 oz
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leadcounsel said:
I've a big CZ enthusiast. (I've had several Sphinxes, and still have a Custom AT-84s which is one of the best shooting guns I've owned.) I've also once owned Stars and a SIG P-210-6.
In theory, the benefit of the slide inside the rails is that as the gun get warm, it tightens up the slide-frame fit, thereby increasing accuracy. I suspect, however, that most of us wouldn't shoot a gun enough for that to really matter, but I suppose it's possible.
There is a problem with that theory: slide to frame fit is not nearly as important to accuracy as barrel to slide fit -- and, implicitly, consistent barrel/sight alignment. At least for AIMED fire.
With Ransom Rest tests, both slide/frame fit and barrel/slide fit are critical -- but that addresses the gun's pure, mechanical precision: nobody is aiming the gun. If you're aiming, and the barrel/slide/sight alignment and lockup is consistent, slide/frame fit shouldn't matter all that much. The frame plays only a small role in consistent barrel/slide/sight alignment.
While I've heard the "slide inside the frame" claim for years, I've never seen evidence to back it up. The SIG P-210 is celebrated for it's accuracy, and the one I owned came with a proof target that showed a 5-shot group of 1.75 inches, shot at 50 meters (roughly 55 yards). But, I would argue that such accuracy is more a function of the gun's high build and fitting quality and SIG's attention to detail with those guns than the slide/frame design or tightness; those guns are, for all intents and purposes, at least semi-custom guns.
The SIG X-Five guns are also quite accurate, and their slides ride outside the frame. They also receive a lot of attention as they're made. (I have a SIG 226 X-FIVE SA in .40, and had accuracy problems with it when I first got it; now that I've had a cataract fixed and gotten new glasses, I've found it to be far more accurate than I once thought. It shoots where it's pointed, and makes me feel like a klutz with some regularity.
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You destroyed a 1911 in a car crash?
Wow. Pics?
Wow. Pics?
Your comparing apples and oranges! The Rami is CZ's smallest 9mm pistol and if you want to compare it to a Ruger, compare the CZ Rami to the Ruger LC9.
LC9
Length 6" (it has a longer barrel than the Rami)
Width .90' (Significantly thinner than the Rami)
Height 4.50" (shorter than the Rami)
Weight 17.6 ounces (significantly lighter than the Rami)
Not apples to oranges at all. Did you not notice the quote I was responding too? You failed to bring it up. My comparison was very valid to the post I was commenting on. Poster stated that he liked the SR9c size and weight better than anything CZ offered. I just was stating CZ did have something comparable to size and weight. With all due respect please look at my whole post. This is what I was referring to.
No one ever said anything about comparing companies smallest guns. Your comparison is much more apples to oranges than mine. i compared two double stack 9mms with similar capacity and size. of course a single stack will be smaller, but why even bring it up?
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Well it was that you not Walt that brought up the Rami and it's smaller dimensions and I simply pointed out that Ruger has an even less diminutive 9mm pistol than the Rami.
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