Is scent mitigation an exercise in futility?

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Maine's deer season opens tomorrow and I'm busy doing a load of laundry to get my hunting clothes as scent free as possible. I'm also planning to shower tomorrow morning with "scent killing" soap. I'm a very ambitious deer hunter on opening day.

It dawned on me that I can scrub myself and wash my clothes all I want, but the deer are still going to be tipped off by the smell of my gun (residual burnt powder and cleaning solvent).

I also remembered that some of the most successful deer hunters I've known we're chain smoking old timers who reeked of multiple stenches during deer season.
 
Anyone with a background in contamination control probably laughs their A's off with what some hunters do for scent control, yet I try my best to minimize scent too. I figure if it get busted, its that 7-11 Big Bite breath Im packin :D
 
You can't eliminate human odor so I don't worry about it too much. I try to minimize exposing my hunting clothes to petrol product smell and strong smell from food (like morning bacon) but that's it. I just hunt with the wind to my face.

BTW. I have seen hogs that's were 400-500 yards down wind of me scent me and haul butt the other way.
 
What you are doing is worthless, just get some Tinks 69 or something like that, dump some on a rag tie it to your boot laces & go hunting !...............
 
I think folks need to show the game we all hunt a bit more respect. Nothing we can spray, rub, or wash our clothing in will make a tiny bit of difference at hiding our Human scent. The following is from another site on the same topic. It was a reply I made a year ago about a similar question. Rather then retype this all I just cut and pasted my thoughts from previous threads on the same topic. Here are two of them from the older threads:

Today on some cable channel there was a program about smuggling money in and out of the USA. The films were made in Miami and New York airports with a couple clips in Dallas and LA. The whole documentary was very well done and professional. I did not see the first 10 minutes or so, I was late to the show. So what story did it tell? The dogs did not sniff dope, bombs, guns, or meat, only money

The Customs guys said if you want to find a criminal all you need to do is follow the money! These dogs were trained to smell American Money! They work in the aircraft jet way sniffing the passengers as they were boarding the plane. They sniff here and there as the people walk by and follow the ones who have too much cash. Most of the video had people open a carry on bag and they had plenty of cash in side. No big impressive feat from what I have seen before. By the way the limit of unclaimed cash you can have leaving or coming into the USA is 10,000 US dollars. That much money in 100 dollar bills is about 1/4" thick and easily fits into a legal size envelope.

Several of the people had cash in one gallon zip lock bags, inside a hard sided brief cases. I did not see a single one get past the dogs. Many had the money wrapped in plastic cling sandwich wrap. One guy had it inside his lead lined film bag. That one had the Customs guys howling with laughter, as if the lead lined bag was a scent deterrent! Another guy had a big stack of cash in his front pocket and made a rude comment about the dog violating him.

However the big one that was really impressive to me was the guy with the Carbon lined Camo jacket in his carry on with the money (50,000 bucks) contained inside the folded up jacket. That was inside a soft sided zip shut wheeled carry on case. Finally they had the dog on a few practice runs with money that had been sprayed with diesel fuel and put in a plastic bag and then placed inside a suitcase that was then placed in a stack of about 30 passenger suitcases. The dog ran past all of them and on his second loop around he stopped at the case and sat down. He did not indicate which suit case it was in the stack but sat right in front of the correct one.

According to the Customs guys and the airport security that's why you cannot lock your luggage any longer in checked baggage. The customs guys just pulled the 4 close to where he sat and separated them. Then the dog ran them again sitting right in front of the correct one. If he would have been unable to identify one in particular they would have opened and searched all 4. The really interesting thing this was how these Customs guys take dogs from the pound and train them. None were pure special breeds. Everyone was a mixed breed.

The customs guys were actually quite boastful about the dogs they use, claiming nothing is going to get by "his" dogs nose. They had lots of stories about people hiding money that the dogs found. One was very interesting. A black girl was boarding a flight for Jamaica. She had a wheeled carry on and the dog just locked on her and the guys knew they had a smuggler by the dogs reaction. She said she had only a few hundred dollars and showed them. They could not find the money and called a female officer to pat her down. Still no money.

They began questioning her and it turned out she was there after leaving her job as a bank employee where she had to count money for the last several hours while wearing the same clothes she had on at the airport. The dog smelled the residue of money on her clothing, skin and hair. That's pretty impressive! Give game the respect it's due and stay down wind. You cannot fool an animals nose with anything currently produced on this planet! How does one hide their breath? Are we certain that all this is well enough understood that the Hype and fluff regarding these products is real, or would these animals have reacted the same anyway? I can't even count all the game I have been within a few feet of. Yet it had every chance to smell me but stood staring and waiting for movement. So long as I remained still and made no eye contact they eventually went about their business and slowly walked away or began eating again.

If I were wearing a Carbon suit during those events I would have believed the suit was the reason, yet those animals were there while I stood without camo and with no special treatment to my clothing. By the same token I have had countless animals bolt away the very instant they scented me. I have seen my dog retrieve a freshly killed pheasant and on her way back to me go on point on another live bird. Now hold on a minute, there is a dead bird of the same species right under her nose being held in her mouth. How is that not a "cover scent" she still smells another different bird and can tell the difference between it and the one in her mouth!

The Cop, or maybe I should call them the "hosts" at a dope dog exhibition I attended several years ago explained it like this. If you have a pizza delivered to your house within a few minutes anyone (human) entering the house will smell "pizza". However when a dog enters the house he smells the cheese, the sauce, the dough, the meat, the peppers, the salt, the perfume in the soap the lady who put the toppings on used when she washed her hands, the cigar the delivery guy was smoking, and the air freshener that was in his car etc. etc. The dog does not smell one thing but has the incredible ability to identify each smell for its own value, and in only parts per billion amounts.

I once had a bear bait that was almost the size of a VW bug. It was a big pile of rotting meat I used for a population study I was doing for the WA. dept of F&G. and the WA Forest protection Association. I used road kills and all the trappers beaver carcasses I could collect. You could smell this from 1/2 mile away with the wind just right. You could actually hear it from 20 yards away from all the maggots squirming around on it and the bugs buzzing round it. One day I was lucky and got a 5 gallon pail full of the old fried food from the local gas and go. Burritos, tacos, jojo's, egg rolls, chicken and the rest of that deep fried heart stopping crap. I took the bucket and a shovel into the site with me and lifted a huge rotting beaver carcass that was more grey slime then an actual remaining carcass. I dumped the fried contents into the hole and let the carcass slide or "ooze" back over it.

About an hour later while I was in my elevated hide the first bear showed up. He walked in nervous and circled the pile. While he was only a foot from the massive stack of squishing ooze and maggots he stood on his hind legs and woofed. Then he dropped down and bolted away. About a minute later a big male pitched up at the site. If this was not the ultimate, although unusable cover scent then I don't know what is. It was however worthless as witnessed by the bear detecting another bear 50 yards away or more when only a foot from this pile of obnoxious goo. The Big bear walked around the pile and instantly pulled the grey slimy beaver off the pile of "goodies". He ate all of what was there, I think and then he left. Within a few minutes another bear came and also went to the exact spot. He ate and quickly departed as another bear came and he too went to the same place to eat. He pawed around and dug a big hole in the pile of slime, no deal for him. Nothing left, but he could smell the fresh deep fried food had touched the grey slime and he knew it was there someplace. If you think for a second that cover scent works think again!

I'm not confusing attracting scents with cover scent. Don't believe that putting some "cover" scent on your camo outfit, boots, or the tree stand you're in will hide your human scent. Read this again if you don't understand why. All this can be said equally for the scent suits. It only takes a tiny few particles per billion for a deer, bear, or most any other game to detect you from the natural surroundings. I contend that if you were close to an animal with this special suit, you would also have been without it!

As a fresh side note to this. Fox News just ran a story on dogs used in France at a medical facility to smell humans for the detection of some types of cancer. Patients were selected with known cancers, and the dogs were tested with them and non-cancer people. The dogs percentage of detection was astonishing. It would seem there is not much you could wear to cover your scent when they can smell you and detect bone marrow cancer.

The amount of scent coming from your mouth alone is more then enough to alert any game with a nose! I think PT Barnum said it best, that quote still works today for most hunters with a fresh Cabelas catalog and a Visa Card!
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By the way the limit of unclaimed cash you can have leaving or coming into the USA is 10,000 US dollars. That much money in 100 dollar bills is about 1/4" thick and easily fits into a legal size envelope. _________________________www.huntingadventures.net

No it doesn't. When I went to So. Africa hunting, the outfitters wanted payment in cash. I carried $6000 in hundreds and it was not easy to place it where it was inconspicuous.
It was worse when I exchanged for rands. At that time 20 Rands was the largest bill and walking around with 300 bills breeds nervousness when walking around Joburg.
 
I do it several times a year?

I would hand the cash to the outfitter when you're picked up. Carrying that much around Joburg is kinda risky.

Actually walking around Joburg is not something I would agree to with my visiting hunters. Once I safely return them to the airport they are free to do what they like. However I would refuse to drop them off in Joburg period.
 
I am giving anise extract a try this year.

I harbor no illusions that it will attract deer from afar, but hoping that if I hit that one in a trillion lottery and a legal buck happens to be passing through the general area where I'm hunting, the curiosity scent will get him to pause long enough in an opportune spot so I can get a shot off.
 
I used to use a lot of that stuff but as the years of experience mounted I realized this...if a deer is upwind of you he can't smell you. You can spit tobacco, or take a whiz, or smoke a cigarette...there ain't a thing his/her nose can do about it.

If you assume that a deers nose is better than a dogs (which I do) then I don't think there is a dang thing you can do to prevent them from smelling you if they get down wind of you. Nothing you can put on your clothes or hair or anything else.

You'll always have some situations where a deer that you think should have smelled you didn't react...but it could be that the wind swirled, or your scent trail was blowing over it's head, or maybe it wasn't particularly alert that day...or maybe even chasing a doe.

I've been floored by the things a dog can do with it's nose...and if a deers nose is truly better...then it's the scariest nose on the planet.

I'll do the laundry in no scent soap...but that's about it. It might buy me a small margin to work with...but I don't do anything else nowadays...and I kill plenty of deer.
 
I still do the green soap shower when possible before bowhunting, and use unscented laundry soap for clothes.

I'd never count on that to work on it's own if wind was wrong, but I've seen downwind deer wind me and seem to mistake the distance I was from them.
They smell me, but less so.

I'd not recommend using any "deer friendly" scent additives, but with using the non scented products, smelling like a human farther away can't hurt.
 
I also remembered that some of the most successful deer hunters I've known we're chain smoking old timers who reeked of multiple stenches during deer season.

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This. The most successful old deer hunter I knew (note I didn't say best, or most skillful - just the most successful), smoked cigars on his stand... after he'd spent the night before at the Legion bar...
 
By all accounts deer can smell as well as a dog.

A dog can smell a couple ounces of explosive hidden inside a FULL gas tank.

Do you really think $10 a bottle holy water is going to do anything? To an animal you just smell like a human drenched in this concoction.

If such technology worked you can bet your orang vest smugglers would have picked up on it long ago.
 
The most I ever do is put the clothes out on the line for a few days. Otherwise I've had deer almost run into me and walk ten yards away from me while sitting no magic stuff or clothes please save your money.
 
Completely emiminating scent is an excercise in futility. But it doesn't hurt to try to reduce scent. All the dogs others are talking about have to be within feet or in many cases inches of the scent source before they can pinpoint it. I work with a SAR team and we use dogs quite often to locate lost people. Our bloodhounds will often scent a person and be within 50-100 yards, but may take 15-20 minutes to locate the person. When locating bodies the dogs will often alert, but we still have to bring in a team of searchers to grid search the area. The dogs may be off by as much as 50 yards depending on terrain and wind currents.

Same with a deer. If the scent you are giving off is strong it makes it easier for a deer to locate you from greater distances. While you cannot elminate the scent, reducing it as much as possible will improve your odds.
 
Using dogs as an example is definitely complicated.

I hunted big game with hounds. They ground scent and track. I hunt upland game with a pointer they air scent and locate much more by proximity then the foot prints left behind.

Pigs ground scent almost entirely but are darn good at proximity scenting as well. Bears almost always proximity scent as do deer elk and most other hoofed game.

This means they are always testing the air currents not sniffing the ground. That is a huge difference. All can sense things through smell with astonishing skill. But how they prioritise what or how they are doing it makes a big difference.

Watching a bear identify smells is a great education. They will lift their heads and open their mouths looking like they are tasting the air. Many will stand up and get their nose as high up as possible. They may do this for several minutes trying to sort out the situation. Tracking hounds do not work that way. They earth scent with a much higher priority then air current scenting
 
While you cannot elminate the scent, reducing it as much as possible will improve your odds.


^^^This. Regardless of what the ads say, you cannot "forget about the wind". While many folks take all kinds of precautions to control scent in the stand, they walk in and brush up against leaves and underbrush leaving a scent trail a old hound with a bad cold could follow. They have already either alerted the deer or spooked it long before it comes into range. When hunting with a rifle at ranges of more than 70 yards, scent control in the stand will matter little. Especially on opening day when the woods is full of hunters.
 
How long have people been successfully hunting again??



all these scents do one thing mighty well.... Deprive you of your hard earned cash...
 
Little smoke from the fire place or camp fire. 'bout my plan but I dont think it matters. Besides what if you have chili and beans for dinner the night before :eek::D
 
That makes two of us. But I somehow doubt we're the type of hunter scent control is marketed towards

probably not, but if it is possible, it would be helpful to me where I hunt. I'm on public land in Maine, which means it's very thick. Any encounter with a deer will be at very close range. My hunting spot this year has a shooting lane of about 35 yards long and maybe 25 yards wide.
 
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