.22lr MEGATHREAD

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Gander Mountain in Greenville, SC had some CCI .22LR SV last week. One box limit, which I bought, along with some Winchester .380 target ammo.

Seems to me that .380 ACP is more of a PITA to find than .22LR. I can generally find .380 ACP in places like Gander and such, but my wife doesn't need the expensive, fancy personal protection rounds. She needs run-of-the-mill target ammo.

Luckily for her, I made it my responsibility to keep her stocked up in ammo when I gave her that Walther PPK/S for her last birthday. She doesn't have to deal with finding it! Whenever we work through all the various brands I've collected and figured out what works best for her, I'll make a bulk buy.


As for .22LR...it IS getting easier to find. Hang in there!
 
I could have bought bricks of CCI SV yesterday for $50 each. No limit. Slowly but surely the normal state is coming back. That shop only had a few bricks that I saw but they may have had more in the back for all I know. I bought what I wanted. They also had SK Jagd Match for around $80 a brick and several other brands. I would have stocked up but I really have never run that low during the panic and with winter coming on I am hoping the prices will come down before I need to buy much more.
 
I could have bought bricks of CCI SV yesterday for $50 each. No limit. Slowly but surely the normal state is coming back. That shop only had a few bricks that I saw but they may have had more in the back for all I know. I bought what I wanted. They also had SK Jagd Match for around $80 a brick and several other brands. I would have stocked up but I really have never run that low during the panic and with winter coming on I am hoping the prices will come down before I need to buy much more.

That's a little high ($0.10/round SV) but not by a lot ('should' be $0.07-0.08) and given no limit (even if only three bricks) and in a brick/mortar that's still a good sign.
 
Yeah that's high for .22 LR but that seems to be the going rate these days. I buy a lot less of it than I did and I shoot even less than that I guess. I won't be happy until a brick of CCI SV is under $30 again. I'm not holding my breath but I am holding on to my ammo. Instead of shooting 200 rounds for practice (or more) I shoot 20 rounds now. I don't even bother setting up a target most of the time. I just do some plinking.
 
I saw an early Black Friday ad for Dick's Sporting Goods showing 500rd of Remington or Federal for $20. Doubt there will be enough even though it is limited to 1 brick per customer. Still won't get me out of the house after Thanksgiving.
 
Picked up 999 rounds in WalMart the other day for $54.
Stumbled across it hours after placing a non-cancellable order for 1000 rounds at almost twice the price:(

Been hitting the local Academy a few times a week when in the area, most of the time I leave with my 100 Aguila for around $7.
 
500 Round boxes available at Cabela's on-line (29.99) as of this moment. Free shipping over $49 using 4GIFTS code.
 
Not a one of the bolt action .22LR's we own has a problem with Remington .22LR. At current count, that's 4 rifles.
And yet, one of my buddies (new shooter) had 2 Ruger 10-22's, and neither one of them liked 'em - he was getting somewhere around a 25% failure rate.

Iff'n he hadn't unloaded all his Remingtons after that experience, I'd tell him to ship 'em to ya!

Go figure...
 
I have four bolt actions -- a Kimber M82, a Springfield M1922 MKII, a Mariln 19Y and a Remington 541X. I have two single shots, a Stevens Favorite and a Stevens #26 Crackshot. as for handguns, I have a Colt Woodsman, a Ruger MKII, a Colt Officers Model Target, and two .22 conversion kits -- a Ciener and a Colt Service Ace.

NONE of them like Remington.
 
That's the thing with ANY ammunition, much less rimfire.

Yeah, I'll buy that rimfire is inherently less reliable than centerfire. But the other side of the equation is the firearms the ammunition is being used in.

Autoloaders of any kind are inherently finicky with ammo simply because they're designed to function around ammunition with certain characteristics. Wander from those design parameters and you'll have problems.

Bolt actions and revolvers have fewer problems...but introduce a weak firing pin spring or hammer spring and you'll also start having problems. Maybe excess dirt/deposits built up around the mouth of the chamber where the rim sits. Whatever.

Any gun I buy, I run a variety of ammunition through it to see what it likes and what it doesn't like. If it doesn't like Brand X buy loves Brand Y, then why waste time and money buying and groaning about Brand X? Stick with Brand Y.


My Automag II, when it first came out, would only function flawlessly with Winchester .22WMR because that's what it was specifically designed to work with. I could shoot CCI MaxiMags through my bolt action .22 Magnum rifle all day long with no problems...but it wouldn't work worth a darn in my Automag II.

This is not to say, of course, that there aren't any reliability/accuracy issues with any given brand or line of ammunition.


I always smile whenever people decry any particular ammunition that I have no problems with. But I'll make a deal with anybody here whom I might have the fortune to meet up with some day:

I have somewhere around 6,000 rounds of .22LR, between my stash and what I keep my wife stocked with. It's a mix of different mass and velocities of Remington, CCI, Federal, Winchester, American Eagle, and probably one or two others. None of which I have any issues with in our rifles. I am perfectly willing to make any equitable trade of any of my brands of .22LR for what anybody else is having problems with. The only qualifier I would place on it is if I know that what you have is something I know doesn't work well with what I'm shooting.

And that includes Remington. Got Golden Bullets you don't like? My rifles evidently don't care, so I'll happily trade something else I've got for it to make your day happier.


After all...that's just something us shooters do anyway when we meet up, right? Ain't nothing better than gun talk and having fun shooting!

:)
 
I had about 8-10 rimfire rifles the last time I bought some Remington ammo. Not ONE of them would shoot it without problems. That includes rifles other than auto-feeders too. I have a single shot Stevens 15-B and even it had trouble with that ammo. It has never had problems with ANY other ammo in the 50 years or so I've been shooting it. I have seen countless posts where others have the same experience with Remington .22 ammo. I have seen a few where people like it but they are outnumbered probably 20-1. Maybe I'll do a poll just to see.

It really irks me that only Remington can seem to get much ammo on the market too. About half the .22LR I've seen for sale since the panic started has been Remington. I still don't have any of it. And I won't. When you have to clean a single shot rifle every 75 rounds because the bolt won't slide then there's something wrong with the ammo (since that rifle never once did that in the entire time it's been in my family and before that when my neighbor owned it. But I also had a CZ, several Marlins both bolt and semi-auto, a Savage and I can't remember what all that I owned at the time. I just remember nothing worked right with that ammo. I shot it all up in that Stevens because it was the gun least likely to be destroyed by that brick of ammo.
 
That's the thing with ANY ammunition, much less rimfire.

Yeah, I'll buy that rimfire is inherently less reliable than centerfire. But the other side of the equation is the firearms the ammunition is being used in.

Autoloaders of any kind are inherently finicky with ammo simply because they're designed to function around ammunition with certain characteristics. Wander from those design parameters and you'll have problems.

Bolt actions and revolvers have fewer problems...but introduce a weak firing pin spring or hammer spring and you'll also start having problems. Maybe excess dirt/deposits built up around the mouth of the chamber where the rim sits. Whatever.

Any gun I buy, I run a variety of ammunition through it to see what it likes and what it doesn't like. If it doesn't like Brand X buy loves Brand Y, then why waste time and money buying and groaning about Brand X? Stick with Brand Y.


My Automag II, when it first came out, would only function flawlessly with Winchester .22WMR because that's what it was specifically designed to work with. I could shoot CCI MaxiMags through my bolt action .22 Magnum rifle all day long with no problems...but it wouldn't work worth a darn in my Automag II.

This is not to say, of course, that there aren't any reliability/accuracy issues with any given brand or line of ammunition.


I always smile whenever people decry any particular ammunition that I have no problems with. But I'll make a deal with anybody here whom I might have the fortune to meet up with some day:

I have somewhere around 6,000 rounds of .22LR, between my stash and what I keep my wife stocked with. It's a mix of different mass and velocities of Remington, CCI, Federal, Winchester, American Eagle, and probably one or two others. None of which I have any issues with in our rifles. I am perfectly willing to make any equitable trade of any of my brands of .22LR for what anybody else is having problems with. The only qualifier I would place on it is if I know that what you have is something I know doesn't work well with what I'm shooting.

And that includes Remington. Got Golden Bullets you don't like? My rifles evidently don't care, so I'll happily trade something else I've got for it to make your day happier.


After all...that's just something us shooters do anyway when we meet up, right? Ain't nothing better than gun talk and having fun shooting!

:)

My observations


There is a big difference between 'not liking' a particular ammo, and having a 10-30% failure rate.

One manufacturer appears repeatedly in this, and that is Remington .22lr.

I have yet to know of a person with a firearm that works well on other ammunition, but fails on anything from CCI. So we know it isn't a matter of every rifle, or some rifles, refusing to work on some ammunition, simply as how the universe works.

Fortunately I bailed on all my Rem by selling it profitably about a year and a half ago. :)


But hey, if it works for you and your rifles, take advantage.
 
I have yet to know of a person with a firearm that works well on other ammunition, but fails on anything from CCI.

Some of my .22 rifles don't shoot MiniMags particularly accurate but they aren't Remington bad. It's real hard to consistently hit a target when one round is like a laser beam and the next one barely clears the end of the barrel. I've never seen any .22 gun of any kind that failed to function with CCI ammo unless it was a semi-auto that wouldn't work with sub-sonic CCI. That happens some but even that is rare IMO. Remington is just in a whole other ball park when it comes to being junk ammo. It's dirty, inconsistent, is often mangled and it has a lot of just plain duds.
 
Remington .22 Ammo

Buy it and ship it to me, then.

:D

Not a one of the bolt action .22LR's we own has a problem with Remington .22LR. At current count, that's 4 rifles.

OK, it has caused some problems in "some of" my .22 auto loading pistols, but not all.

The Marlin Model 60 auto loader (rifle), and all of my revolvers have "no problem" with it.

I'd rather have CCI , but if the Rem. has a good deal, I'll but it. Caveat emptor.
(Somebody needs his caveat emptied).:D
 
Ah, well...if you have problems, you have problems, right?

I still stand by my offer, however. I don't have any problems with Remington, so I'd be happy to make any equitable trade should I ever have an opportunity to meet up with any THR member who feels the need.

And "equitable" to me is fair market value exchange based on retail availability. I'm totally not interested in any form of profit, but the actual round count may vary based on the retail cost of what you want to exchange for. I'm not trading 5 boxes of 100 count CCI for a brick of Remington Golden Bullets, for example. There is a significant fair market cost difference between the brands.
 
LGS had CCI GREEN TAG $14 / 100 yesterday.
As for the Golden Bullet debate, I use to shoot GBs in a timed siloutte event, 20 targets. Use to load 22 rounds in the mag since some where in the 200-300 rounds I fired I'd have 1 or 2 duds. Loading 22 would let me eject and keep going only losing a second or two.
 
I have Remington Target and HV solids and HPs that I bought back in the 80's. All of it reliable and fairly accurate in my Marlin bolt, Ruger 10-22, MkII pistol, and CZ bolt. I don't own any newer Remington ammo, but sure read a lot of complaints here on the internet.

The only new ammo I buy today when I can find it is CCI Std, Mini-mag, Velocitor, and Federal Auto Match. These all seem to shoot the best in my guns.

I did have a few apparently bad boxes of Mini-mags a few years back that I documented on Rimfire Central. Very erratic accuracy. Several ten shot groups and five would go into a dime at 50 yards, with the other five spreading the group out to 2 inches. I narrowed down the lot numbers (purchased from Sportsmans Warehouse) and sold them off. Went back to some of the older CCI ammo and had no more accuracy problems.

My local Walmart still has no 22LR available. Two or three people are arriving at 7 AM and buying it all. Management refuses to limit purchases and is receiving numerous complaints. Will anything change soon? I doubt it...

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Stopped by Wallyworld yesterday, to grab a few items. Strolled back to the ammo counter, and they had just put out some .22. I don't need any, but some of my shooting buddies do. Grabbed three 222 count boxes of Winchester, for $10.47 a box.
The Remington 50 round boxes were $2.37
 
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