Glock 17 Gen 4 VS Canik TP9 SF

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Before I begin , let me say that there may not be any bigger fan of Glock than I am . I have a Glock 17 Gen 4 just because I wanted to try it out and have the 4th generation to go with my Glock 17 Gen 2 and Glock 17 Gen 3 .
Just a few weeks after I bought the Glock 17 Gen 4 , I heard of the Canik TP9 SF . The SF model is a new one that does not have the top side decocker . Pretty much the new SF model is a Glock 17 in size and all. It is made in Turkey and is well built . There are several reviews done on it and one done by a very well known guy that lives 50 miles from me. He loves it . And he is a Die-Hard Glock 19 man :) .
I like the G17 Gen 4 but I hate that it is different than the Gen 1 , 2, and 3 . I guess I bought it on a "whim" to have it to go with my Gen 2 and 3.
I want to get the Canik TP9 SF but the only thing holding me back is the lack of spare parts . I am sure they can be found through Century Arms but it's nicer to be able to get them as easily as the 1911 and Glock parts.
Bottom line is that I am on the fence about selling my Glock 17 Gen 4 to get the Canik TP9 SF . What do you guys think ?
 
The Canik is a quality gun, I own one (but not the TP9). I'm not sure why spare parts are so necessary when you first buy the gun. How many of us pick a gun and then buy spare parts for it? Personally, I buy the guns I buy in large part because they don't have a reputation for breaking. :)

If, on the other hand, you mean accessories then you are right. The Canik will never have the aftermarket options that a glock has. Of course, glock = "Perfection", not sure why there is such a large aftermarket community. How does one improve on perfection???
 
I have both...I would not sell either to buy the other. Both are excellent and essentially fill the same role. My advice is keep the G17 and save up for the Canik. By then, the fever will have passed and you'll know if you really want one.
 
Jlr2267 said:
I have both...I would not sell either to buy the other. Both are excellent and essentially fill the same role. My advice is keep the G17 and save up for the Canik. By then, the fever will have passed and you'll know if you really want one.
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Do you have the SF model ?
 
Jlr2267 said:
I have both...I would not sell either to buy the other. Both are excellent and essentially fill the same role. My advice is keep the G17 and save up for the Canik. By then, the fever will have passed and you'll know if you really want one.
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Do you have any other polymer frame striker fired pistols?

I suddenly have a massive urge to acquire pretty much every striker fired polymer frame 9x19 pistol. Well, except the M&P. I'm a Glock guy too but I got a VP9 and it's awesome, and I've been really intrigued by the TP9 especially at that price...and as I read about the PPQ and the P320 I feel like I need them too...

So many wonderful options...it's great.

But how do they all compare? Does it really matter which you go with as long as you shoot it for familiarity and can find at least "the one" holster, sights you like, and a few mags?
 
Has the Canik gone up so much you need to sell off your G17 ? I'd keep the Glock. if having something new is important to you go for it. I like the utilitarian and ease of after market accessories that Glock has over this Turkish rival. If you can't even find a Holster for the Canik, I'd leave it alone !
 
Warp said:
Do you have any other polymer frame striker fired pistols?

I suddenly have a massive urge to acquire pretty much every striker fired polymer frame 9x19 pistol. Well, except the M&P. I'm a Glock guy too but I got a VP9 and it's awesome, and I've been really intrigued by the TP9 especially at that price...and as I read about the PPQ and the P320 I feel like I need them too...

So many wonderful options...it's great.

But how do they all compare? Does it really matter which you go with as long as you shoot it for familiarity and can find at least "the one" holster, sights you like, and a few mags?
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Several Glocks, Sig P320, TP9SA, Kahr CM9, had but sold an M&P9 because I hated the trigger. In my opinion, the P320 and TP9SA have Glock beat by a mile on ergonomics (especially trigger). Glock still wins on weight, concealability and parts/accessories. So far, all have been equally reliable.

I've carried them all except the TP9, which is just too long in the grip.

I'd say if you like poly striker-fired pistols, you would like both the P320 and TP9. They might not replace your Glock for carry, but they're 2 of the best in the category, IMO.

edit: one bonus I've found is the TP9 fits my leather P320 holster like a glove
 
The TP9SA is a copy of the P99QA with the PPQ trigger.
The TP9SF is a copy of the PPQ.
The TP9SFX is a copy of the PPQ Q5 / PPQ 5".
The TP9 and TP9v2 are copies of the P99.

They are larger copies with poor sights, poor finishes (there are different kinds of Cerakote, this one lacks the hardening ceramic), lack the melonite/teffiner metal treatment that Glock/M&Ps/Walthers have, the Canik trigger is heavier and more crunchy than the Walthers, and the fit is generally 'looser' around (eg, the mags fit like a hot dog down a hallway). The TP9SF is going for 320 plus 20 ship plus transfer. Given the differences in cost but the better trigger, it might be better than a glock in SOME respects such as comfort and trigger....However, there is a more obvious answer.

If you are a fan of Glock, might I suggest you jump on the current deal at gunbuyer.com for the PPQ M1 at $500 shipped? Walther may just disrupt your Glock world. You might even find out down the road that the best DA/SA trigger on the market is the striker fired P99.
 
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I would suggest you buy a canik and ignore the people that make it their mission to pump the walthers every time a post about the canik comes up.

I have carried one daily since the beginning of last October and have shot well over 1k rounds and the finish on mine is still in great shape.

Take opinions with a grain of salt, especially when they clearly have an agenda behind them.
 
I have the Canik S120 and love it. I had the same concerns regarding parts, mainly recoil springs and found I can purchase them through Cajun Gun Works. You may want to see if they can provide what you're looking for. I've only heard good things about them.
 
I have both the TP9SA and TP9V2. Both are solid and reliable pistols. I don't regret the purchases in the least.
 
I may give it more time to see if any parts and such become readily available. By then I may have saved up enough money to buy it and keep my G17 Gen4 . I am married with kids so if I want a gun "right now" , I have to sell one to get another but I need to practice what I preach . I always preach to my friends to never sell a Glock. Especially one in 9mm or .45ACP.
 
tercel89 said:
I may give it more time to see if any parts and such become readily available. By then I may have saved up enough money to buy it and keep my G17 Gen4 . I am married with kids so if I want a gun "right now" , I have to sell one to get another but I need to practice what I preach . I always preach to my friends to never sell a Glock. Especially one in 9mm or .45ACP.
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Yeah, I know that feeling, lol. A 15 year old and a two year old really kill my "me" money.

Right now replacement parts for these pistols are available from century readily. As far as aftermarket there are several popular holster manufacturers making holsters for them. Cz75 sights are a direct fit so the sky is the limit on aftermarket sights. I don't believe there is anyone offering lighter springs or trigger components at this time, but the trigger is awful nice on these already.
 
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ljnowell said:
Yeah, I know that feeling, lol. A 15 year old and a two year old really kill my "me" money.

Right now replacement parts for these pistols are available from century readily. As far as aftermarket there are several popular holster manufacturers making holsters for them. Cz75 sights are a direct fit so the sky is the limit on aftermarket sights. I don't believe there is anyone offering lighter springs or trigger components at this time, but the trigger is awful nice on these already.
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Awesome and thanks for relating to us "working dad's" . ;)
Yeah the trigger is nice and very much like a GLock if not better . I may get bashed for saying that , ha ha . I like GLock a lot but this Canik seems to be as good a deal as the HS2000 was when it was introduced around 1999 or so . I remember seeing them for $299 and thinking that it was an off brand and it would probably suck but now Springfield Amory is importing them now and jacked the damn price up to $500 or more ! I wish I got me one of those HS2000's at $299 . :eek:
 
I resent the pro walther comment followed by no defense.

You mentioned the finish isn't bad. I say bull. Probably the worst finish available on the market. Additionally, the important part, the treatment of the metal underneath the finish on the Walther gets the best treatment available. This treatment is the same on M&Ps and Glocks. No metal treatment on the Canik. The reduced cost comes at the reduced cost of the pistol.

I listed cons for the Canik as bigger, looser, poor sights, not AS GOOD of a trigger, poor finish, and no metal treatment.

Is it a great value? Absolutely. I would recommend it. But it is not unreasonable to point out that for $150 more, you can purchase the gun it is copying. AND the Walther is better in every regard, with a lifetime warranty.
 
wild cat mccane said:
I resent the pro walther comment followed by no defense.

You mentioned the finish isn't bad. I say bull. Probably the worst finish available on the market. Additionally, the important part, the treatment of the metal underneath the finish on the Walther gets the best treatment available. This treatment is the same on M&Ps and Glocks. No metal treatment on the Canik. The reduced cost comes at the reduced cost of the pistol.

I listed cons for the Canik as bigger, looser, poor sights, not AS GOOD of a trigger, poor finish, and no metal treatment.

Is it a great value? Absolutely. I would recommend it. But it is not unreasonable to point out that for $150 more, you can purchase the gun it is copying. AND the Walther is better in every regard, with a lifetime warranty.
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I don't understand why people get upset when someone mentions the tp9 being a p99 copy. The sw99 and mr9 are also really good Walther copies. The p99 is a good pistol to copy in my opinion. I'm interested in a tp9sf compact in the future if the price stays right
 
wild cat mccane said:
I resent the pro walther comment followed by no defense.

You mentioned the finish isn't bad. I say bull. Probably the worst finish available on the market. Additionally, the important part, the treatment of the metal underneath the finish on the Walther gets the best treatment available. This treatment is the same on M&Ps and Glocks. No metal treatment on the Canik. The reduced cost comes at the reduced cost of the pistol.

I listed cons for the Canik as bigger, looser, poor sights, not AS GOOD of a trigger, poor finish, and no metal treatment.

Is it a great value? Absolutely. I would recommend it. But it is not unreasonable to point out that for $150 more, you can purchase the gun it is copying. AND the Walther is better in every regard, with a lifetime warranty.
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Again, opinions given as fact. I've carried a TP9sa daily since last October. It's been holstered every day in a cheap unlined leather holster and has seen well over 1000 rounds. The desert tan finish is still looking great.

When you continue to post the same opinions as fact over and over people get used to it and stop reading your posts.
 
wild cat mccane said:
the metal underneath the finish on the Walther gets the best treatment available.
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what treatment is that?

wild cat mccane said:
I listed cons for the Canik as bigger, looser, poor sights, not AS GOOD of a trigger, poor finish, and no metal treatment.
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bigger: compared to what? It is longer in the grip than a Glock 17, but also holds more rounds. Weight I'm not sure about, but it might be a couple ounces heavier???

looser: not even sure what this means, but I'd like to know how you measured "looseness". Mine is tight.

trigger: my TP9SA trigger far surpasses my Glocks, my former M&P's, ...even my P320...but this is all subjective

poor finish: time will tell. I've not noticed any, but I'm carrying mine around in a holster only at the range

no metal treatment: how do you know?

wild cat mccane said:
the Walther is better in every regard, with a lifetime warranty.
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same warranty for Canik TP9
 
Jlr2267 said:
what treatment is that?



bigger: compared to what? It is longer in the grip than a Glock 17, but also holds more rounds. Weight I'm not sure about, but it might be a couple ounces heavier???

looser: not even sure what this means, but I'd like to know how you measured "looseness". Mine is tight.

trigger: my TP9SA trigger far surpasses my Glocks, my former M&P's, ...even my P320...but this is all subjective

poor finish: time will tell. I've not noticed any, but I'm carrying mine around in a holster only at the range

no metal treatment: how do you know?



same warranty for Canik TP9
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You are wasting your breath. He has a thing for the TP9. They can't be mentioned without him proclaiming that they are junk compared to his walthers.

Someone should tell the finish on mine it's the worst in the industry(I think blued pt1911 owners may disagree) because it's holding up quite well. I don't even like cerakote, but it's still looking good after being carried daily.
 
I have several Caniks.

TP9
TP9v2
TP9SA
S-120
Shark-FC

I like them all.

Personally I think the decocker on the SA model is completely overblown. The decocker takes quite a bit of pressure and would take a lot to just accidentally press it.

I mean, OK, don't use the SA as a carry gun.
 
Wild Cat Mccane must have stock in Walther. The TP9 is a good gun. Probably one of the best buys out there. You can also have it refinished twice at the cost a P99 requires. I have noticed a pattern too.

Reminds me of when Jmr used to post about how crappy CZ pistols were non stop while the rest of us were too busy noticing how awesome ours were.
 
For the record, Canik claims to phosphate finish (parkerize) under the Cerakote. So Wild Cat Mccane appears to be wrong that there is no metal finish aside from the cerakote.
 
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