Hey all. Just a general statement here. But the 9mm stock in my area seems to be lacking lately. There's a good supply of FMJs here. But the good stuff, is scarce. I went to buy more 124 standard gold dot the other day, and none in my town. Which is a concern, but gives me an opportunity to experiment. I bought some federal 124 hydro shock today so I'm going to see how they work in my P07 and M&P 9c. And tomorrow I'm gonna get the federal 135 low recoil, some horniday 115 or 124 ( I don't remember ) and maybe whatever else strikes my interest. So I guess. To be continued...
9mm. Stock.
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Check out:
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50-round-box-9mm-p-federal-115-grain-hollow-point-ammo-9bple
http://www.sgammo.com/product/feder...24-grain-hp-hollow-point-le-ammo-p9hst3-limit
http://www.tds-us.com/federal-premium-tactical-hst-147grn-9mm-p9hst2-50-rounds/
http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer/50-round-box-9mm-luger-speer-lawman-115-grain-tmj-ammo-53650
You can definitely do better than hydra shok
http://www.sgammo.com/product/federal/50-round-box-9mm-p-federal-115-grain-hollow-point-ammo-9bple
http://www.sgammo.com/product/feder...24-grain-hp-hollow-point-le-ammo-p9hst3-limit
http://www.tds-us.com/federal-premium-tactical-hst-147grn-9mm-p9hst2-50-rounds/
http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer/50-round-box-9mm-luger-speer-lawman-115-grain-tmj-ammo-53650
You can definitely do better than hydra shok
The hst is one I think I'm getting tomorrow. I'm trying to stay at standard pressures for now. Until I'm more comfortable as a shooter. But thanks for the info.
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I think you are wasting a lot of money trying to buy a box of Everything.
Any of the name brand SD ammo is as good as any other.
Buy one, test it for function in your gun, and if it works, buy some more.
Spend the money you saved on cheaper practice ammo.
And practice with it.
$2 bucks a round Magic bullets will do no good if you can't shoot well enough to put every one in the BG's gizzard!
rc
Any of the name brand SD ammo is as good as any other.
Buy one, test it for function in your gun, and if it works, buy some more.
Spend the money you saved on cheaper practice ammo.
And practice with it.
$2 bucks a round Magic bullets will do no good if you can't shoot well enough to put every one in the BG's gizzard!
rc
Agree, any of the modern loadings like gold dots or hydrashoks will work just fine. I think he's just looking to get a variety to see if any of them have feeding issues. I did the same thing and found most of my 9mm's would eat anything.
That's silly.
No modern, decent pistol is going to have the "slide outrun the mag" because you used a +P round from a major manufacturer. That is just...no.
Hydra shock is not a modern loading. It is decidedly outdated.
I would go with Gold Dot or HST. Or, if money is more of a factor to you, the Federal 9BPLE is noticeably less expensive and does have a good street record. Check SGAmmo for ~$18/50 price on it.
Well YMMV, could have been weak mag springs not keeping up, but it ran fine on normal pressure loads. Why beat up the gun just for a few extra fps? If you want more oomph, get a bigger caliber.
You claim hydra-shock is an outdated bullet design (yes the HST is newer), but then you recommend 9BPLE, which is the REALLY old Hi-shok from the 80's. Ok then.
Sometimes you can get really good prices on SD JHP in bulk purchases online once you find the load your gun likes. And every few months I will shoot off the ammo that's been carried to make sure the gun still likes it and then reload with fresh ammo that hasn't been exposed to humidity or condensation going from cold to warm temps.
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If you have a modern 9mm pistol that doesn't run on +P, it's probably time to get a better pistol.
+P rounds don't beat up any of the modern quality defense-suitable pistols I am aware of. Certainly not in the kind of volume they are going to be shot by almost anybody who is using them defensively...especially considering what it would cost to buy thousands upon thousands of rounds of +P Gold Dot/HST/whatever.
Get a bigger caliber? Why would I want to spend significantly more money on ALL ammo and have reduced capacity?
I assume you are aware that there is nothing special about +P, right? It's really more that some cartridges, like 9x19, have been around so long, that it is not recommended or necessarily safe to shoot the same ammo out of a many decades old gun as it is a new, modern, quality gun. It's not like shooting +P rounds through your modern Glock/Sig/Springfield/S&W/H&K/Walther/whatever is akin to putting a bottle of N02 through you mini van or anything lol
You claim hydra-shock is an outdated bullet design (yes the HST is newer), but then you recommend 9BPLE, which is the REALLY old Hi-shok from the 80's. Ok then.
Yes. I do. Why? Because 9BPLE has a stellar track record from all levels of US law enforcement (federal, state, local) that cannot be written off, and it can be had for significantly less money than the best stuff, so if you are budget conscious, it is the way to go. Mas Ayoob, as it happens, says 9BPLE is in the top-5 defensive loads, currently, for 9x19.
Gold Dot and HST only gets so inexpensive. It is never available for the type of deal you can get on 9BPLE.
I would definitely recommend Gold Dot or HST or similar if one can afford it and justify the expense, but if one wants to spend less/shoot more of it, 9BPLE is the answer.
BSA1
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Sounds like a regional / local issue. There is a good selection where I live.
This is just a plumb silly comment that sounds like something posted on a less informed forum.
All handguns are tested with proof loads which generate much higher pressure and velocity than +P ammo. Even Hi Points are +P rated.
Hollowpoint bullets generally are dependent on velocity for expansion. Sure there are other important factors such as bullet design and any material the bullet has to pass through first but the importance of velocity is clearly demonstrated in plain ballistic gel.
Bullets shed velocity in short barrel guns which are popular for conceal carry and self-defense. This makes it harder for bullet expansion.
For comparison I have two boxes of Hornady 9mm.
Hornady Custom 124 gr. XTP is listed as 1110 fps at muzzle.
Hornady American Gunner 124 gr. XTP +P is listed as 1160 fps at muzzle.
So according to Hornady the difference is 50 fps for +P rating.
Youtube actually has some very good videos of testing bullets in ballistic gel. Ammo Quest videos of testing 9mm ammo in short barrel semi-auto handguns are very well professionally made. His videos show that hollowpoints generally even to break a certain velocity for reliable expansion.
hemiram
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The local places are loaded with 9mm, both the usual 115/124/147 grain FMJ stuff and also I see a lot of self defense type too. I'm beginning to see .22LR at places that hasn't had any of any quantity in a long time. I was at GM a few days ago, and had three different brands of copper plated 36-40gr stuff to pick from for about $30 a brick. Not bad.
FMJs are pretty plentiful here too. I'm talking about the higher end ammo, like hollow points and what would be considered carry or self defense stuff.
That is pretty much always best purchased online. Not many people can ever find and buy well priced 50 round boxes of HST, Gold Dot, Ranger, Golden Saber, whatever, locally
I thought about that. But I'm kind of leery about doing that. Do you have any suggestions on where to go look online?
Never has a truer statement been written. I bought 250 rounds of .45ACP 230Gr thinking well all .45 230 ball is subsonic anyway. It was $16 a box delivered. I shot it all the day it came and WOW. The CLEANEST ammo I have ever shot. Accurate, not one problem in 250 rounds and they were the most consistent rounds I have ever shot without getting into some really high priced stuff. I ended up buying another 1000 rounds for $14 and change/50 delivered. My 1911s LOVE it and cleaning them afterwards is a breeze.
Great Ammo
I'm a couple hours west of d.c.
aka108
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Plenty of good stuff to at the Bass Pro Shop here. I looked a bunch over but did not buy. I order 9mm the case and get it shipped in. All I use is FMJ for putting holes in paper.
Yup. I had no issues either. Well one. Chambering the first round hung up once or twice. But I think it was more my fault than its. But cleaning afterwards was almost unnecessary, and done out of habit.
At my Wal-Mart the cabinet was a little under stocked but there was plenty of ammo in all calibers except .22. This was 2 hours ago in the western suburbs of Chicago. The shipments come in on Tuesday and I'm sure it will back to full. In 9mm they had Winchester, Perfecta, Federal and Tula. They didn't have any Federal .45 in aluminum and they usually have a bunch of that.
OK. So I went out to try out my m&p c. And that went well. Still not thrilled about the grip, but I'll fix that later. As for my test in ammo. I found the federal Hydra shok 124 grain worked great in both my CZ P07 and M&P 9 C. So I am going to stick with that. I am curious about the hst as well so I'll try some of that when I get the chance.
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