55gr sp issue?

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sorry if I asked this but its driving me nutz! i am shooting 55gr sp with h335 and benchmark savage axis hb off front and rear bags.

now 55gr v max touches holes with both powders and I began loading 55gr sp for the price. first shot hits right where I want it but #2 hits right about 3 inches. #3 will hit same POI and 4-5 may shoot wherever they want. I let the barrel cool down so I don't think that's an issue. I had someone tell me that SP with canellure shoot like crap for them. all my SP are done in the same sitting but must be seated below the canellure because I have a short throat. all seated the same and same brass, same charge.

my reasoning asking is do you think 55gr SP from mid south with NO canellure will shoot better? I don't want to buy 500rd min to have them shoot horrible.

any advice?
 
I had 1k of the midsouth sp's that my gun would shoot about 1.5". It didn't matter what powder (h335, cfe223, varget, 8208xbr) or cases or seating depth. Groups were 1.5"-2"

Nosler varmageddon hollow points and even hornady 55g fmj shoots .5" 5 shot groups. My ar15 is more accurate than me with the right bullet.

In my experience the sp's from midsouth are 1.5" bullets, which is good enough for a lot of applications including AR15 blasting. For shooting itty bitty groups or ground squirrels at 200yds maybe not the best choice

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My Hornady ones all look different so wondering if that's my issue.
 
The nose of the bullet doesn't affect accuracy to any appreciable degree unless you are a br shooter. A consistent heel is vastly more important.

The 55 sp is usually more accurate than the their fmj version.
 
Are you saying the second shot is 3" from the first shot but the third, firth and fifth are near the second?

Are you firing a fouling shot? If not the first shot is acting as a fouling shot and the next 4 are your group. With most rifles a cold clean bore will have a different POI than a bore with a fouling shot through the barrel. A cold barrel that is not cleaned will usually have a different POI too.
 
If this is in an AR, you might take a close look at your feed ramps, especially if it's only happening on every other shot. Maybe load just four rounds next time, and see if it happens on the first shot. Pay close attention to which side of the magazine the cartridge is feeding from, to see if there's a pattern with the fliers.

It's a long shot, but may be worth looking into.
 
Are you saying the second shot is 3" from the first shot but the third, firth and fifth are near the second?

Are you firing a fouling shot? If not the first shot is acting as a fouling shot and the next 4 are your group. With most rifles a cold clean bore will have a different POI than a bore with a fouling shot through the barrel. A cold barrel that is not cleaned will usually have a different POI too.
i will shoot round #1 and it hits where the x hair is. round 2 will hit either where the first one did or 3 inches away then I will either be able to hit the first 2 holes or it will shoot 3 inches away within the area of the others. its very inconsistent. I fouled the barrel when I shot the 10 v max rounds before it.

round 1-bullseye, round 2 either bullseye or 3 squares right. round 3 either hits bullseye or 2-3 squares right. round 4 hits same POI as round 3 and round 5 is hit or miss too. I figured maybe the scope came look so put 5 v max in a half dollar group. the best group I got with these was 3 out of 5 in the same square and 4-5 hit wherever they want.
 
Souds a lot like my experience with the same bullets, random inconsistencies that drove mw nuts, i kept thinking "maybe a different powder" or "ill sort my cases and bullets by weight and try that" with the same results.

With a red dot sight at 100 yds i can't tell a difference though, they are good for blasting

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With a 22" heavy barrel your Savage should perform very well with thin-jacketed bullets. Every rifle is different but with mine I often tend to get rolling from left to right when the barrel gets warm. I suspect it's because the bullets aren't as tight when they get toward the end of the barrel and muzzle upset occurs, but I don't know this. I do know that for some reason my groups stay tight even with a warm barrel when I'm using H4895. Again only speculating here, but this may be because the pressure curve is more closely matched to the barrel length (30") so I get less fall-off toward the muzzle when the bore expands. IMHO matching powder speed to barrel length is key to maintaining tight groups when the barrel gets warm. But this is after many rounds: for the first ten shots or so the powder speed doesn't seem to matter so much with my rifle (see photo). With a bolt action you can do without the cannelure, but what really amazes me is that you're having to sink the bullet past the cannelure just to fit the chamber. I thought my chamber was short, but then I haven't used cannelures with this new barrel, maybe mine would be doing the same thing.

Photo from this morning, first two ten shot groups. Group on left is BL-(C)2 with no apparent center. Second group is H4895: the triple just north of bull is what keeps me believing in an eventual one-hole group.
 

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I'm a bit tighter that yours I just don't get how some hit same poi and some don't. Guess instead of driving myself crazy I'll grab some hp and see what they do.
 
You might try completely cleaning the barrel of all carbon and copper fouling...then using only the one bullet and see how consistent they group afterwards. The jacket material isn't exactly the same on all bullets and fouling from one bullet might not be playing nice with the new ones going down the tube. At least that is one variable you could eliminate by a good cleaning then staying with the problem childern bullets and see how they perform. As others have said, some bullets in some barrels just don't work so well...so that's always a possibility. Often times when one bullet is much cheaper than another..there IS a reason!:)
 
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