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Hi guys great to be here and I have a question. Have 38spl 125gr copper FP for reloading. Was given a lot of Accurate #5 powder and trying to figure out a good load for paper shooting. The charts given are shaky to me any advice would be great and TY for letting me be here!
 
Saw it tis went to the site B4 but was not really looking hard appreciate the quick comeback
 
What exactly does "The charts given are shaky to me" mean?
Every load table has a MAX load. If no start load is given, then the start load is a 10-12% reduction from the MAX load--unless otherwise specifically noted.
1) I always started any plated bullet load work-up with the starting load for the same weight lead bullet--just as all the manufacturer's used to recommend.
2) I prefer to check at least two sources and start with the lowest starting load.
3) Get a copy of Richard Lee's #2 manual. He compiled a lot of data from all sources (data is not copy-righted, only the formatting) and has it separate by jacketed, plated, lead, frangible, and, probably, monolithic.
4) It is safer to call the powder manufacturer than to take the word of anyone on the 'net.

So, pretending that I have the problem, I go to an Alliant or Western Powder Load Manual.
From the one I find on-line, I see the following:
*125gn Bar TAC: 5.2-5.8gn*
125gn Hdy XTP: 6.1-6.8gn
125gn Rem GS: 6.4-7.1gn
125gn Sie JHC: 6.1-6.8gn
125gn Rnr P-HP: 6.4-7.2gn
*125gn SF RHFP: 5.4-6.0gn*
For comparison, the Hornady #9 manual shows:
125gn FP-XTP and HP-XTP: 6.6-7.6gn
Accurate 2003 shows:
125gn Spr JHP: 6.1-6.8gn

Note*:
SF makes frangible bullets, so that data is not applicable.
Barnes TAC is a monolithic (all copper) bullet, so that data is not applicable.


I can not find any 120-130gn lead bullet data with AA5 powder, so can not use that as my start load.

So, the one and only plated bullet tested shows a start load of 6.4gn. Since I can find jacketed data with a lower start load, I would start with the lower charge.

So, that gives us start loads of 6.1-6.6 gn and MAX loads (which are dependent on the GUN, the LOT NUMBER of powder, the exact bullet used, the COL, and, to some extent, the primer and cases used—and you almost certainly don't even have one of those things, so your MAX load is completely unknown) of 6.8-7.2gn.
So, for safety, my load work-up would be 6.1, 6.4, and 6.7gn and see what I get.
I would retrieve all cases after firing (I like to retrieve the first round at each weight and, if it looks OK, fire the other four—then collect those four and inspect them all) and inspect for any pressure signs. With handguns, I like to compare the recoil of the rounds to factory rounds of the same weight of bullet and also where the cases land, compared to those same factory rounds—besides the normal primer appearance and case bulge just above the web (compared to those factory rounds) and any other signs of problems.
If there are no pressure signs and groups are getting smaller, I "might" test higher charges; however, I have no need for a max charge, so I am not going to chase it.
 
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noylj--wow got into it and I thank you for the in depth inst. kinda new to reloading cause I just reload 45 and 9mm and a friend gave me the 38 brass, and die set up for my Dillon 550B. He passed and willed it to me and did not know what powder he was loading with but has marked 4.5gr. So will make up a cpl and try em out of your sugg. and go from there. I normally load with W231 but have 4lbs of AA5. Tks again
 
Snafu1964,
Please don't use data from sources other than Powder & Bullet mfgs.

While most data from the average internet user is gonna be good, you just don't know who the jokers & jerks are. :scrutiny:

Please stay safe & welcome to the addict ... oh, I mean hobby.
Ya, that's it hobby... :what:
 
>Please don't use data from sources other than Powder & Bullet mfgs.

Or Lyman or RCBS or other corporate sources?
 
Hi guys great to be here and I have a question. Have 38spl 125gr copper FP for reloading. Was given a lot of Accurate #5 powder and trying to figure out a good load for paper shooting. The charts given are shaky to me any advice would be great and TY for letting me be here!

What is a "Copper FP" bullet?

Solid Copper as in Barnes bullets?
Copper Jacketed?
Copper Plated?

Makes a difference in load data.
 
To "piggyback" on Hondo's post; I pay little (no) attention to any forum expert, range rat, gun counter clerk, pet loads website, or gun shop guru for load data. For 30+ years I have gotten 98% of my data from published reloading manuals, with one exception; my Garand load data. I have used powder manufacturer's web sites, but haven't found any data there that wasn't in one of my manuals. I recommend this "method" to any new reloader as it keeps the reloader safe and while most folks are just trying to be helpful by supplying data, unless they have done extensive pressure testing, I'll just say "thank you" and go to my manual(s)...
 
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