I guess it's time to stockpile ammo

I'd move. But that's just me.....

It'd really be cool if all the ammunition companies pulled a Barrett on California, too.

Fat chance, though.

It'd have to be all of them ,too, as only a few would simply mean the state/local agengies would simply buy from alternate sources.

danez71 said:

I've said it before that what ever the final decision is for that case will ultimately be the model nationwide. if it stands as it is now, IMO, there will be too many CA courts with similar interpretation.

Give up on CA and the nation will feel the pain eventually. Not because it's CA, but because it tips the scale in regards to other CA rulings.

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I disagree. California has a history of setting hot rod and fashion trends. The rest of the nation doesn't pay as much attention to politics and draconian policy. For example, those of us in automotive still have to deal with 49 state vs. CA compliant vehicles...........

Reload if possible. That is if the seperate components are not banned.

Sounds like its time to make friends in Oregon, Arizona, or Nevada and go visit them periodically.

MachIVshooter said:

I disagree. California has a history of setting hot rod and fashion trends. The rest of the nation doesn't pay as much attention to politics and draconian policy. For example, those of us in automotive still have to deal with 49 state vs. CA compliant vehicles...........

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But Cal isnt setting a trend in this case..That was largely my point. They (CA9) would be tipping the scales in favor of other CA courts that have already had decisions made before Cal.

The emission example doesn't help your case either as the Fed have adopting most of Cal's rules over the last 20-30 yrs.

ETA:

The EPA has adopted the California emissions standards as a national standard by the 2016 model year[4] and is collaborating with California regulators on stricter national emissions standards for model years 2017–2025.[5]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_emission_standards#cite_note-5

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Don't get me wrong... I hope you're right. And thinking about it more, if we actually get the SCOTUS choices that should be coming now, I'm a lot more likely to be wrong.

California should be split into two states, the southern end should be annexed by Mexico.

76shuvlinoff said:

California should be split into two states, the southern end should be annexed by Mexico.

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It's been thought of. More likely (not very likely, but I can hope) is a Supreme Court that will hold all of California to the letter of the Constitution, and a federal executive branch that will follow through to hold them to it. Ironically, nothing will bring Left Coast liberals to violence like a demand to honor the 2A.

I started stockpiling lead, powder & primers when AB962 was on the table...

Bill4282 said:

Buy out of state and mail to yourself?

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I believe you would have to UPS or FedEx it. And that still might be violating Federal laws since you're shipping a product that is restricted in that state. But I'm not a lawyer. I do know that even if I were willing to circumvent state laws I sure wouldn't be in any hurry to do the same with Federal laws that tend to have more severe punishment. A person may never get caught, but are you willing to risk it?

Possibly one of the most important moves by the senate was to refuse to allow a vote on any nomination by Obama for the Supreme Court. One of Trumps first steps in office will be to nominate a 2nd Amendment friendly Justice, it will give the conservatives a 5-4 advantage once again. Clarance Thomas is retiring so another conservative will replace him. We can only hope that the most liberal Justice and the oldest, Ruth Bader Ginsburg will have to retire as well, that would give conservatives a 6-4 advantage. The law suits can be filed now as it takes 3-4 years before they make it to the supreme court.

To my fellow Californians, FFL03 + COE exempts you from the ammo restrictions in Prop 63. Do it. Now. Before the rush. Also Prop 63 does not affect reloading components. That will be coming either in 2017 or 2018 when Gavin Newscum becomes governor when Brown is out.

whipper said:

I’m sorry but one organization I will not support any more is the NRA. They dropped the ball on California. Period!

I read on Calguns.net that the NRA poured $4 million into fighting a Nevada initiative that would require background checks for firearms buyers but just $145,000 into battling a gun control measure in California.

I kept getting phone calls From the NRA about once a month asking for donations; and for donating they would send me a free gift. I told them instead of spending all the money donated on gifts so that they could beg for more money, to use the money they already have to fight gun control measure here in California. Needless to say that did not go over well with them, and I am glad because they have not called me again in the past 4 months begging for more donations. I feel betrayed and confused as to what the NRA thinks of California. Hasn’t history showed that the stupid laws the get past in California soon start to pop up all over the country. Why not kill it from the start?

OK, I’m through rambling.

Thanks for reading Steve.

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If a motorist has half of his skull ripped off in a crash, dies the EMT bother putting a band aid on his skinned elbow? The NRA knew it was a lost cause and chose not to throw money down the rat hole.

Jason_W said:

Most people here seem to think they'll make the agricultural checkpoints do double duty for ammo.

The state has the ag checkpoints set up at all high traffic entrances to the state.

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Just tell the checkpoint brownshirts that you're bringing in a bale of Maryjane from Colorado. No problems.

Jason_W said:

Most people here seem to think they'll make the agricultural checkpoints do double duty for ammo.

The state has the ag checkpoints set up at all high traffic entrances to the state.

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I always figured the "agricultural checkpoints" were doing that already. It is a good front for blanket search and seizure of any vehicle entering the state that is deemed suspect. Maybe I am just paranoid.

That is not unlike the Illinois FOID card system, I grew up in Illinois but have since moved to Michigan. When I visit the state, I have tried to buy some ammo but cannot do it. Illinois demands the FOID card to track ammo purchases, they do allow bordering states to buy ammo. So Kalli could base all this on your drivers license or create their own version of FOID.

Fella's;

I'd be surprised if there weren't over a thousand two-lane-blacktop and dirt road border crossings between California & it's bordering states.

900F

Be prepared for a flat tire on a hot, desolate dirt road.
Cell phone coverage?

Maybe if all this stuff happens in California the people who want to keep their rights need to have a civil war in that state up against all the people with their hair colored like a rainbow and after they see what's gonna happen they will forget about it. Myself I would move to a pro gun state. You still have a year or longer to find work if your not retired.

MachIVshooter said:

I disagree. California has a history of setting hot rod and fashion trends. The rest of the nation doesn't pay as much attention to politics and draconian policy. For example, those of us in automotive still have to deal with 49 state vs. CA compliant vehicles...........

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Bad example. 14 states use California emission standards as developed by C.A.R.B. Those states are: Arizona, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

If you look at some of those states they are also states that are adopting California like gun laws, for example magazine restrictions and "assault weapon" bans.

CA needs to fall off in the ocean also new York Manhattan and Florida and probably will sometime because of all the rainbow people! A nation without God will not stand !

Not true on Illinois FOID. The state does not track ammo at all. You do have to show the card to buy completed ammo and primers, but their is no log or tracking. You can purchase all you like and internet sales are perfectly fine. Many crates delivered to my doorstep with nary an issue before I moved two years ago.

Also you can buy as much ammo over the counter as you like with an out of state drivers license. The clerk at a big box store may not be aware, just ask for manager.

alientrainwreck said:

CA needs to fall off in the ocean also new York Manhattan and Florida and probably will sometime because of all the rainbow people! A nation without God will not stand !

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California won't fall of into the ocean. But it WILL eventually reach Canada...

I’m with SimonP on this one, as a Californian. I think that there is a good chance that this could be overturned in the courts.
There are many ways to attack this on administrative and constitutional grounds. It’s happened before. Having said that, if Prop 63 is overturned, in whole, or in part, we would then have to undue the redundant legislation passed this summer, some of which is more onerous than Prop 63 itself. In short, we Californians have a lot of legal work ahead of us.
I think Prop 63 passed this year because we had a large leftist turn out for this year’s election. The presidential candidate Donald Trump was said by the media to be "anti-immigration" and a racist, so all of the illegal aliens, and we have millions of them, and their supporters, came out to vote this time. Additionally, we have more and more “urban living” type people from all over the world here now that just don’t share American values such as liberty and freedom. They do like government handouts, though.

If we can fix the border, then maybe California can straighten out, clean up the corruption in Sacramento, stop the train and get back on track. I hope so, at least.
Mauserguy
PS: Oh, yes, we do have checkpoints in California. They are run by people who like to feel your fruits, but they could easily expand that to ammo. No problem really. That's not a joke, it's true. We've had checkpoints since the 1970s.

illinoisburt said:

Not true on Illinois FOID. The state does not track ammo at all. You do have to show the card to buy completed ammo and primers, but their is no log or tracking. You can purchase all you like and internet sales are perfectly fine. Many crates delivered to my doorstep with nary an issue before I moved two years ago.

Also you can buy as much ammo over the counter as you like with an out of state drivers license. The clerk at a big box store may not be aware, just ask for manager.

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Funny that, a couple years ago I did buy some ammo at a "farm supply" store, even had the state reg to show me that I just needed my DL. Visited the same area this year and stopped at a Dunhams, no way. I tried to explain the reg as it was explained to me from the other store, the Dunhams manager said there was no such reg.