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I was bummed out to read the US Palm is closing their doors. They're not a big company but I always found their products and service to be good. The last thing I bought from them was a plate carrier which turned out to be a pretty good value. I guess demand is waning for gun stuff right now.
 
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I could never really figure out who their products were supposed to be geared for. It's sad they couldn't make it, but I can't say I'm really surprised. You just don't find that many civilians willing to spend on body armor.
 
Some years ago, a county sheriff was having to deal with a potentially dangerous situation, so he put on his body armor. It was a quality rig with full chest and back coverage as well as side panels. In the gunfight that ensued, the sheriff was shot and died. The bullet had bypassed the vest at the arm hole and had struck him in the heart. A freak occurrence? Perhaps. But stark testimony to the vulnerability of anything not protected by the vest.

I have never invested in body armor because I know from prior experience that good protection is heavy, bulky and restricts movement. Vests that only protect the center of the chest provide scant protection and to the extent they make someone think they are less vulnerable than they actually are may encourage behaviors that make them more likely to be killed.

Despite all the people claiming to shoot "sub-moa" at a stationary target off a bench, the reality is that most people shooting offhand at a moving target are likely to miss, so if the weight and bulk of the vest slows someone down and keeps them from moving, it may actually be dangerous.

With incomes not rising and many people still paying off their panic buying, I don't think there's a lot of demand for vests.
 
That's just one of the things they sell, not their entire line. They actually have lots of shooting stuff. No big deal I guess if you weren't a customer anyways but since they offered good customer service and fair pricing I will be sad to see them go.
 
The reality of the marketplace is that 85% of new business startups close their doors within ten years. Reading a "news" forum on shooting industry manufacturers I've seen a dozen or so get bought out or close in the last few years, some infamous. How many did Remington's owners collect only to see the brand disappear?

Happens all the time, sadly some don't deserve it while others should have long ago. It's capitalism.
 
Vests that only protect the center of the chest provide scant protection and to the extent they make someone think they are less vulnerable than they actually are may encourage behaviors that make them more likely to be killed.
Horse pucky.
Do seatbelts make people drive crazy? Do helmets make motorcyclists ride beyond their capabilities?

Hogwash.
 
Horse pucky.
Do seatbelts make people drive crazy? Do helmets make motorcyclists ride beyond their capabilities?

Hogwash.
So you are saying that it is impossible for someone to feel somewhat more protected by wearing armor? Seems counter-intuitive.
 
I didn't really want to make this thread about the efficacy of body armor, but Second Chance does claim to have registered around 200 saves of police officers that took potentially fatal hits that were stopped on their soft armor. While it's true that armor isn't a guarantee that you'll survive a gunfight it certainly does tip the odds in your favor and lots of soldiers have been saved by their Interceptor armor. There's a pretty widely seen YouTube video of a US soldier that takes a "kill shot" by an Iraqi sniper only to pop up unharmed after a few moments- the shot had hit him square in the chest of his plate carrier. IIRC he didn't even have a bruise. Armor is hot, it's heavy, it limits mobility, etc etc...but it generally does the job of stopping bullets that strike it.
 
So you are saying that it is impossible for someone to feel somewhat more protected by wearing armor? Seems counter-intuitive.

Personally, wearing a plate carrier never interfered with my instincts to not get killed. CCW similarly gives me no illusions about my own temperament or capabilities that would make me assume greater or unnecessary risk.
 
Personally, wearing a plate carrier never interfered with my instincts to not get killed. CCW similarly gives me no illusions about my own temperament or capabilities that would make me assume greater or unnecessary risk.

I find that when I carry concealed, my tolerance is much higher, and I'm much more calm, cool, and collected. It's easy to get into a squabble with someone when you don't think there's a possibility of someone dying. But when the possibility is there, you become more cordial, polite, and cautious. Nobody wants to have to kill someone if it can be avoided.
 
I think it is market saturation. While there are today more and more people getting into firearms and shooting, the number of makers of gear, parts and accessories has just exploded. Whereas 20 years ago there were not that many operations selling these kind of things online, now it is just a flood of producers and sellers. Aside from actual products (innovation, quality etc) and pricing your name still has to be visible. That means advertising promotion, active marketing presence etc. If you rely on internet surfing traffic and you do not show on the first half dozen (or less) pages of Google results for a given item, forget it.
 
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