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george burns
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what about the plunger spring, they say it can't hurt anything, and helps smooth it out ? I am going to take it down again later today, and really go over it under a magnifier.
What is the best Glock trigger improvement or replacement?
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I polish the plunger nice. I do have a light plunger spring in my G23.3, and it makes a minor difference. I don't buy them anymore because it's such a minor difference.
I don't see any problem with them, as long as you detail strip the slide every once in a while.
I don't see any problem with them, as long as you detail strip the slide every once in a while.
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You are correct, I re did the internals, polished just enough to get a no grit pull and reset. It's just shorter and grit free, I can feel the difference when the trigger engages the plunger safety, it's better now although I am not installing the lighter spring as I don't want to mess with the safety of the pistol, and as you said, it isn't going to change it much. I would air om the side of safety, if you put in all those springs, "at least in the gen 4" it has to at some point affect reliability and safety. I got a grit free shorter pull out of it, and learned a lot about the gun, all in all it was a good experience, thanks for all the help.
Mr. Glock makes a perfect pistol straight out of the box. These after market folks are getting rich on the back of Mr. Glock.
Step away from the Kool aid. That cottage industry exists for a reason. It's not because of "perfection".
Rubber_Duck
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It's FAR from perfect actually.
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I honestly have for 30 or so years, "since Glocks first sold here in the US", owned about 6-8, at various times, first started with 40's and then 45, and 9"s. The 9 and 45 are my favorite calibers period. I eliminated all other calibers other than an LCP, and recently a 357. But at 69 I have it narrowed down to the 19, 26 and 30, "S", At one time or other have had most of the 9's and 45's. The S is the replacement for the 30, that I always loved.
It's hard to beat a 20 oz gun that holds 11 rounds of 45. And actually shoots well. The "S" really is the perfect all around gun. The size and power that it is capable of is unbeaten for most scenarios. Normally I install the plug in the grip and a front Night Sight on all Glock pistoles. I also ger the largest magazine for that caliber, Like the 13 round 21 mag, and call it a day.
They are a "Journeymans gun", to me.Since I carry for 47 years now, I am not impressed by much as far as new guns go. So unless it's a 1911 or a CZ with a 3lb trigger and fully worked out, as far as 1911 functionally goes, I really don't run out and buy the next new toy of the month. I did that when I was younger,and with age you do get a little wiser as far as marketing ploys go.
For 20 years a 38 snubby , and a PPK's, were my 2 guns for carry back in the dark ages of the 70's. Back then you bought a gun and kept it, especially when you lived in a restricted state lik NY. Times have changed and I still buy guns every year, but I sell what I don't use now.
The Glock is by far the most reliable pistol I have ever owned. I have never had one go down on me when I needed it and never thought I would trust a semi auto like I trusted my Model 60 S&W, but I do.
Of course I tried a PPK, "the new one", and a VP9, but they weren't rocking my boat any better than a Glock did, other than the Trigger, that's how I got here. So I gave it a shot, "pun intended", you can't break them, as mentioned, I had one fire with a guide rod broken in half, and only found out when I went to clean it. So no matter what the haters say, from personal experience, they can't be beat, maybe other guns do a particular thing better but when you look at the whole package, there is really nothing that has the full monty like Glocks do. Plus if you want to go nuts, they make more crap for that gun than anything other than an AR.
If I an not carrying a 1911, I am carrying one of my Glocks, and my go everywhere PM9, which is the coolest gun ever.
But that is a different discussion. So thanks again for the input, I am going to buy a few more connectors for other Glocks I own and make that a part of my standard mod for my Glock handguns.
It's hard to beat a 20 oz gun that holds 11 rounds of 45. And actually shoots well. The "S" really is the perfect all around gun. The size and power that it is capable of is unbeaten for most scenarios. Normally I install the plug in the grip and a front Night Sight on all Glock pistoles. I also ger the largest magazine for that caliber, Like the 13 round 21 mag, and call it a day.
They are a "Journeymans gun", to me.Since I carry for 47 years now, I am not impressed by much as far as new guns go. So unless it's a 1911 or a CZ with a 3lb trigger and fully worked out, as far as 1911 functionally goes, I really don't run out and buy the next new toy of the month. I did that when I was younger,and with age you do get a little wiser as far as marketing ploys go.
For 20 years a 38 snubby , and a PPK's, were my 2 guns for carry back in the dark ages of the 70's. Back then you bought a gun and kept it, especially when you lived in a restricted state lik NY. Times have changed and I still buy guns every year, but I sell what I don't use now.
The Glock is by far the most reliable pistol I have ever owned. I have never had one go down on me when I needed it and never thought I would trust a semi auto like I trusted my Model 60 S&W, but I do.
Of course I tried a PPK, "the new one", and a VP9, but they weren't rocking my boat any better than a Glock did, other than the Trigger, that's how I got here. So I gave it a shot, "pun intended", you can't break them, as mentioned, I had one fire with a guide rod broken in half, and only found out when I went to clean it. So no matter what the haters say, from personal experience, they can't be beat, maybe other guns do a particular thing better but when you look at the whole package, there is really nothing that has the full monty like Glocks do. Plus if you want to go nuts, they make more crap for that gun than anything other than an AR.
If I an not carrying a 1911, I am carrying one of my Glocks, and my go everywhere PM9, which is the coolest gun ever.
But that is a different discussion. So thanks again for the input, I am going to buy a few more connectors for other Glocks I own and make that a part of my standard mod for my Glock handguns.
Rubber_Duck
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Let us know what connectors you try and maybe provide a comparison. The trigger connector is the easiest and cheapest way to change the trigger feel on a Glock, and there are many out there. I've only tried the Ghost Edge 3.5 and Lone Wolf 3.5 myself.
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george burns
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Do far it's just been the Ultimate. ut I may try one of the 3 that require trial and file, until they fit right, they give you the rear stryker half plate so you can trip the trigger until you get it exactky where you want it. I also saw that on the Ghost page, there is a 5 degree angle cut that supposedlly gives you a 3 1/2 lb trigger.
Rubber_Duck
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I think the only filing required on some of the other connectors is for the overtravel stop. Once you get it perfect it should yield a very crisp trigger.
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https://ghostinc.com/the-spaulding-cut-for-glocks-with-rockets-and-tacticals-only/, it's called the Spaulding cut
98bluewave
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Could you explain "flush cut G34 trigger bar"? I've never seen that mentioned before. Thanks!
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You know, I just checked my gen 3 Glock 26, and the trigger is 50% better than even the improved gen 4, -19. So I guess it's true that the gen 4 is the worse trigger of all. By the way my 30 "S" , also a gen 3 is better also. I wouldn't screw around with either. Even if I could make them a little bit better, they are fine the way they are..
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Ok so now I know I am ADD. Still didn't like the way it felt and took it apart again.This time I dimissed everything I have heard or read, and just started looking for why this trigger sstill felt like crap. And I found it.
Right where the connector rides against the trigger bar, "the part that you don't change because it's the actual trigger bar, it was rubbing agaainst that and the crucible, The cross thingy. SO I got out dremmel pulled it apart and polished a rough spot off along the edge, and bingo. It's smooth. Watching the trigger spring I could see it was sticking 2 or 3 times on it's way home. I should have picked up on that the other day when the 6 lb trigger spring caused the trigger bar to not fully engage. That's it, I put it away, and when I get a free hour, I will attempt to screw around with the plunger spring, and if that helps then the firing pin spring, although I don't see it making a big difference, since the problem was in the lower to begin with.
Now I finished my at home armorers course by THR.
Right where the connector rides against the trigger bar, "the part that you don't change because it's the actual trigger bar, it was rubbing agaainst that and the crucible, The cross thingy. SO I got out dremmel pulled it apart and polished a rough spot off along the edge, and bingo. It's smooth. Watching the trigger spring I could see it was sticking 2 or 3 times on it's way home. I should have picked up on that the other day when the 6 lb trigger spring caused the trigger bar to not fully engage. That's it, I put it away, and when I get a free hour, I will attempt to screw around with the plunger spring, and if that helps then the firing pin spring, although I don't see it making a big difference, since the problem was in the lower to begin with.
Now I finished my at home armorers course by THR.
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I have a Glock 17 gen4 I pick up a few months back. I will say out of The box 5.5 lb trigger pull not bad at all.
I did a few small upgrade to it like
Minus connector
Polished all internal parts
Striker spring 4.5 lb
Polished the hell out of the safety plunger and change the spring to a wolf.
The gun so far no hecups with my reloads trigger now 3.75
I would like to upgrade to a new trigger shoe with a adjustable take up for pre_travel
Any one upgrade or Change the trigger shoe with good results.?
I did a few small upgrade to it like
Minus connector
Polished all internal parts
Striker spring 4.5 lb
Polished the hell out of the safety plunger and change the spring to a wolf.
The gun so far no hecups with my reloads trigger now 3.75
I would like to upgrade to a new trigger shoe with a adjustable take up for pre_travel
Any one upgrade or Change the trigger shoe with good results.?
Zerodefect
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Remove trigger.
Hold the trigger safety in all the way from behind the shoe.
Dremel the safety bar down until it's almost flush, avoid the top hinge area a little.
2000 grit sand.
Test.
Should result in a G34 trigger shoe that is nice and smooth. No more nasty bump in the center to distract my trigger finger.
Lycidas Janwor
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Here's the one I put in my Glock, it is designed by McNally who has shot thousands and thousands and thousands of rounds through Glocks in competitive shooting. This trigger makes the most sense for me because it's as reliable as an original Glock trigger and yet has a lighter pull, in other words the best of both worlds. And, it is a drop-in package and a very reasonable price:
https://www.fire-4-effect.com/McGlock-Trigger-p/mcglock1.htm
Best of luck, as it can be confusing as to which trigger system to buy for your Glock. As for me, this McGlock (McNally) trigger is for my EDC so it absolutely has to be reliable.
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I just now got the gen3 trigger bar from midway and installed it. I have to say it feels like a different trigger altogether. The weight fell, "I don't have a scale" but it was noticable, and the trigger feels like it's supposed to. I have had a few decent glock triggers over the years, like my gen 3, - 26. I am not messing around with it anymore, just a function test before it goes back to nightstand duty. So here is what I wound up with. The Ghost Ultimate connector, the reduced spring trigger safety, and the gen 3 trigger bar, "all parts polished which needed to be". Now it's exactly the way I like it. I didn't reduce the return spring on the trigger bar or the firing pin springs, I think that is asking for trouble. The Gen 3 trigger is just a nicer feel aside from correcting the bump issue that the nipple makes. I wonder if they corrected that in the 5?
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Captains1911
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On my carry/defensive guns, just a factory minus connector and perhaps some polishing is all I do.
I have two guns setup purely for competition (IDPA), one has a Vogel Trigger System by Glock Triggers, and the other a Vanek Custom. I give a slight edge to the Vanek, but both are very nice. Glock Triggers carries some other kits that are deigned more for defensive purposes, that I imagine are very nice too. If you do decide to go with aftermarket parts, just be sure to test them fully before relying on them.
I have two guns setup purely for competition (IDPA), one has a Vogel Trigger System by Glock Triggers, and the other a Vanek Custom. I give a slight edge to the Vanek, but both are very nice. Glock Triggers carries some other kits that are deigned more for defensive purposes, that I imagine are very nice too. If you do decide to go with aftermarket parts, just be sure to test them fully before relying on them.
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Hogwash. There are plenty of reliable aftermarket options available, that do not require a Glock armorer to install or "fix."
It's amazing what a Gen 3 trigger bar can do for some Gen 4's and for very little cost.
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It's amazing what a Gen 3 trigger bar can do for some Gen 4's and for very little cost.
Or you can file the bump off the trigger bar & save some $$.
The trigger on my G29 is 3lbs w/minimum take up--cost $20. It's sweet to shoot
It's amazing what a Gen 3 trigger bar can do for some Gen 4's and for very little cost.
Or you can file the bump off the trigger bar & save some $$.
The trigger on my G29 is 3lbs w/minimum take up--cost $20. It's sweet to shoot
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