IWI to introduce new striker fired pistol Masada

Oh hey, it's another Glock.

It’s like a cat on her 10th litter of kittens. Until someone comes up with something better than a Glock or XD........yawn.

BigBore44

It’s like a cat on her 10th litter of kittens. Until someone comes up with something better than a Glock or XD........yawn.

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Hey somebody needs to get that cat fixed...10 litters is a lot of kittens out there!

I do agree with your sentiment though. It's like "Hey look everybody someone just reinvented the wheel".

Yeah and your only 30 years late to the party.

Glock is still the benchmark that all others are compared to......

Um, no, not Glock any more. The Masada seems to have an interchangeable trigger group which allows some more options. Glock? Pinned and numbered to the slide.

Now, who else does that, and beat out Glock in a government contract to supply a large number of guns? With a interchangeable trigger group, serial numbered, which accepts different grip unit's, allows the company armorer to fit it to the soldier, and which comes on large "frame" and compact. Switchable on demand. Same with the slide units.

Nothing stays the same. S&W dominated the LEO pistol market as they were changing over from revolvers, and during that time it was the standard for US LEO holstered firearms. Glock came in with one that more closely resembles a revolvers manual of arms, and with some low ball salesmanship took over the contracting. Does that make Glock the standard, no, not so much. They didn't get the military contract. A different pistol did. The Masada seems to include a significant feature from the SIG.

Glock is old school now. Out of date. Without a revised trigger group they will descend into the ranks of Fudd guns. The clock is ticking.

71velle said:

Glock is still the benchmark that all others are compared to......

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.....just like the Big Mac is.

Tirod said:

Glock came in with one that more closely resembles a revolvers manual of arms, and with some low ball salesmanship took over the contracting.

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So...exactly what Sig did. The Army, well let's say "government" likes to buy things cheaply, and they bought the Sigs quite cheaply from the sounds of it. I remember when the name Sig Sauer used to mean something.

Tirod said:

Um, no, not Glock any more. The Masada seems to have an interchangeable trigger group which allows some more options. Glock? Pinned and numbered to the slide.

Now, who else does that, and beat out Glock in a government contract to supply a large number of guns? With a interchangeable trigger group, serial numbered, which accepts different grip unit's, allows the company armorer to fit it to the soldier, and which comes on large "frame" and compact. Switchable on demand. Same with the slide units.

Nothing stays the same. S&W dominated the LEO pistol market as they were changing over from revolvers, and during that time it was the standard for US LEO holstered firearms. Glock came in with one that more closely resembles a revolvers manual of arms, and with some low ball salesmanship took over the contracting. Does that make Glock the standard, no, not so much. They didn't get the military contract. A different pistol did. The Masada seems to include a significant feature from the SIG.

Glock is old school now. Out of date. Without a revised trigger group they will descend into the ranks of Fudd guns. The clock is ticking.

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The clock might be ticking, but at the moment Glock is still the standard of comparison. That cant be argued.

The whole modular thing is way over rated. Look and see what it would cost you to take a sig p320 and switch size. After buying the frame, slide, kit and mags you about at the price of a new gun. Really only a good deal if one lives in a place where they limit how many pistols one can own.

It seems that no matter what category pistol you look at the Glock is a little smaller and lighter for the capacity than the competition making it the winner in the efficient category. Not to mention they tend to be quite durable and reliable.

Glocks = fudd is down right crazy, you are taking this a little to personally to make a statement like that.

That all said I am not saying Glock is always the best choice. But, it never sees to be a bad one either.

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Um, no, not Glock any more. The Masada seems to have an interchangeable trigger group which allows some more options. Glock? Pinned and numbered to the slide.

Now, who else does that, and beat out Glock in a government contract to supply a large number of guns? With a interchangeable trigger group, serial numbered, which accepts different grip unit's, allows the company armorer to fit it to the soldier, and which comes on large "frame" and compact. Switchable on demand. Same with the slide units.

Nothing stays the same. S&W dominated the LEO pistol market as they were changing over from revolvers, and during that time it was the standard for US LEO holstered firearms. Glock came in with one that more closely resembles a revolvers manual of arms, and with some low ball salesmanship took over the contracting. Does that make Glock the standard, no, not so much. They didn't get the military contract. A different pistol did. The Masada seems to include a significant feature from the SIG.

Glock is old school now. Out of date. Without a revised trigger group they will descend into the ranks of Fudd guns. The clock is ticking.

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Keep telling yourself that. People have been saying that the clock is ticking on the Glock since Clinton was president.

We need to differentiate between a fad and something more long term. Long term you have trends that take decades for technology to develop that makes them obsolete. For example, the SA revolver offered the best firepower from the 1870s until being replaced by the DA revolver in about the 1920s, which competed alongside the 1911 and the Browning Hi-Power for decades. These autos reigned supreme until about the mid-80s when the Wonder Nines came along. Here the Beretta and the SIG battled it out for military contracts while the Glock introduced the civilian and police markets to the advantages of high capacity polymer framed striker fired pistols. The Glock has reigned supreme in these areas for almost 40 years. This is more than a fad. Every time another striker comes on the market, the uninformed declare that it is the Glock-killer. The truth is that the very fact that it is being compared to a Glock means that it will never kill the Glock. The Glock is a pillar of the defensive handgun market. It has been in 2 out of every 3 duty holsters for over 30 years, and continues to dominate the civilian self defense and competition markets despite the competition. There are plenty of striker fired handguns out there that offer an advantage over the Glock in some respect, but none of them offer the Glock's simplicity, modularity, and economy. It is these features that keep the Glock on top and will continue to do so for the forseeable future. The Glock usurped the 1911 and redefined what people expect in a fighting handgun. It will likely be top of the heap until we have a truly revolutionary increase in firepower. Nothing that is comparable to a Glock is ever going to out-Glock and Glock.

Bad idea for that name,imnsho

Masada was not a good thing in Jewish history.

Jew's took their own lives rather than be captured,my version is to die taking them out and NOT by your own hand = unless it is holding a grenade without a pin

Oh look another Glock killer! Well it has been a few months now since the last one.

I am still old fashioned as nothing interests me much already having a Gen 2 Glock 19 I bought new, original 9MM Walther PPQ, and three year old HK VP9.

CNobbe said:

So...exactly what Sig did. The Army, well let's say "government" likes to buy things cheaply, and they bought the Sigs quite cheaply from the sounds of it. I remember when the name Sig Sauer used to mean something.

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Yep, nobody ever said that the Sig 320 was a better pistol, they just low balled Glock and got the military contract, basically beating Glock at their own game. Special Ops guys prefer Glocks so that might say something about reliability. The fact remains that Glock is losing a large share of the striker market to mfg's of less expensive pistols. I've even seen some S&W agency trade-ins already. The new Sig 320 is going to be very appealing to some LE agencies for the same reason it was to the military.

I don't own a striker pistol and probably never will. I'm so old I doubt anyone would sell me a Glock.

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I don't own a striker pistol and probably never will. I'm so old I doubt anyone would sell me a Glock.

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Just buy a 1911 RIA, massage it well, and it will run forever after you learn the 1911. It seems to me no one wants to learn the pistols they own and rely on gunsmiths to figure out the problem rather than learn, but I am 65 and have worked on 1911 guns for almost 3 decades. After a couple of decades I still do not understand the Glock infatuation. It has a terrible grip angle, and the trigger is terrible, it is striker fired, has no safety, and the frame is polymer.

My BIL has a Glock in .40 S&W and it was much more uncomfortable to shoot than my steel 1911 .45 ACP.

I guess everything is in the eye of the beholder.

Jim

Would need to see more but doesn't appear to be too Glock-like. The takedown look more like a Sig or XDm than Glock. But I'm not likely to be tempted. I prefer DA/SA pistols over striker fired and if I am going to holster a striker fired pistol I'll opt for my XDm because of its grip safety.

Interesting that it is IMI with its Israeli roots shows the gun being drawn and chambered, which I understand is the standard Israeli draw technique.

I'm sure it'll be a real game change.

Pure awesome. It's super cool they did something that hasn't been done before!

Now please excuse me. I need to go praise Springfield Armory for making the Saint for the same reason.

I don't get the people who are complaining that it doesn't do anything new. Handguns are a mature technology. If you got to the store and there's a new brand of refridgerator you don't wonder what it does new: they all do the same thing. You just compare the quality and cost to the other brands and make a choice.

Trust me, if they ever invent ray-guns I'll be first in line, but in the meantime don't expect anything completely different. The overall design of handguns hasn't changed much in the last 100+ years.

CoalTrain49 said:

Yep, nobody ever said that the Sig 320 was a better pistol, they just low balled Glock and got the military contract, basically beating Glock at their own game.

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Price aside, the Sig was the only true modular gun entered into the Modular Handgun System competition. It would have been a travesty if they weren’t selected. Words mean things.

Tirod said:

Um, no, not Glock any more. The Masada seems to have an interchangeable trigger group which allows some more options. Glock? Pinned and numbered to the slide.

Now, who else does that, and beat out Glock in a government contract to supply a large number of guns? With a interchangeable trigger group, serial numbered, which accepts different grip unit's, allows the company armorer to fit it to the soldier, and which comes on large "frame" and compact. Switchable on demand. Same with the slide units.

Nothing stays the same. S&W dominated the LEO pistol market as they were changing over from revolvers, and during that time it was the standard for US LEO holstered firearms. Glock came in with one that more closely resembles a revolvers manual of arms, and with some low ball salesmanship took over the contracting. Does that make Glock the standard, no, not so much. They didn't get the military contract. A different pistol did. The Masada seems to include a significant feature from the SIG.

Glock is old school now. Out of date. Without a revised trigger group they will descend into the ranks of Fudd guns. The clock is ticking.

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Maybe even the Masada will not fire if dropped.

mgmorden said:

I don't get the people who are complaining that it doesn't do anything new. Handguns are a mature technology. If you got to the store and there's a new brand of refridgerator you don't wonder what it does new: they all do the same thing. You just compare the quality and cost to the other brands and make a choice.

Trust me, if they ever invent ray-guns I'll be first in line, but in the meantime don't expect anything completely different. The overall design of handguns hasn't changed much in the last 100+ years.

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I guess for me its more of a dislike of the marketing. SA tried to act like the Saint is this new innovative product that would change everything. It was just another AR. The marketing video here is over dramatic.

I have no doubt it will be a good gun, and I get that they are trying to sell something.

fanboys, It's now time to move on, time to move up a gear

Looks like what happens when Steyr, M&P, Glock, and HK decide to have a baby together. A really ugly baby, but that is just me.