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Yes you can slice the wads in half if they are thick enough. Still an expensive way to go.
You can make your own wads and coat them with a lube. Cheaper route to go.
If I were in your position I would make my own lube using beeswax and olive oil and put up with the mess.
 
Thanks, but that one I can only import from the USA. Shiping costs as 3 such cartridges, so I would be paying 4 times more than you would pay... too expensive solution, it's out of the question. But I had no idea that this exists, and now thanks to you I know about it, so maybe I'll find some cheap equivalent here.

Was just giving you an example.
 
Like I posted earlier, just some Crisco over the ball has worked for me for many years. You over think things 1861. Not at all a bad thing btw. Just no need to over pay or over complicate this step.
 
Crisco is just a brand name with many products under that brand, so I still don't know exactly what you mean. Probably some oil. Anyway, J-Bar, if I don't use really large loads, I will have to use wads, right? So I think probably I'll always have them... and greasy stuff in one form or the other on top of the ball has some other funcions which wads don't fulfil. Everyone has different opinion, but it seems that vast majority agrees that I should have some sort of lube over the ball. So I need to decide which sort of lube... and to decide I have to understand more about it. The problem is that from 10 guys I get about 8 different answers :) and I see it's like that on all threads related to this lube topic.
 
To 1861:

First, I strongly recommend getting on the MLAIC Facebook page. There are a lot of European black powder shooters, they can help you.

Second, I'd forget wads. Use semolina or farina as a filler between the powder charge and the ball. Dab a bit of grease (almost any will do) on top of the ball.

Third, definitely shoot with the small finger under the grip. The guns are designed for this.
 
The problem is that from 10 guys I get about 8 different answers :) and I see it's like that on all threads related to this lube topic.

You should take comfort in this diversity of opinion! It means that there are a lot of ways to get the job done, and all of them work! You are an intelligent adult. As long as you do not allow air spaces between the powder and the ball, avoid petroleum based lubes, and keep the muzzle of the gun pointed in a safe direction, you are going to have a whole lot of fun!! ;)

Before I retired I was a veterinarian. I remember one of my surgery professors in veterinary college lecturing on surgical approaches to the hip joint. He described about 5 different surgery procedures. His concluding statement was,

"They all work. If only one was best, everyone would do it that way, but they don't. Pick one you like and become expert at it. You will do fine."

I have found his advice applies to more things than surgical approaches to the hip joint.
 
Crisco is vegetable shortening. In the UK you can buy Trex or White Flora. I don't know what brands would be available on the Continent, but anybody who bakes should be able to tell you what brand of vegetable shortening they use, unless they are using lard, which is animal grease (which will also work for lube, but you said that you wanted to stay away from it.).
 
Crisco is vegetable shortening. In the UK you can buy Trex or White Flora. I don't know what brands would be available on the Continent, but anybody who bakes should be able to tell you what brand of vegetable shortening they use, unless they are using lard, which is animal grease (which will also work for lube, but you said that you wanted to stay away from it.).

Solid Vegetable shortening: Biljna mast or you can use margarina

https://www.gretchensbakery.com/substitutions-i-dont-have-that-in-my-country/


1861 - what brand of BP did you get?
I too would like to see what the range looks like - if they allow pictures taken.
 
I haven't made my own lube yet so take this with a grain of salt... I bought the wool felt, still need the cutter, paraffin, bees wax, and tallow.

Gatofeo uses mutton tallow - which is rendered lamb or beef fat.
How to make mutton tallow (render animal fat):
https://www.thepaleomom.com/recipe-home-rendered-tallow-its-easy/

US websites that sell mutton tallow other than Dixie Gun Works who is out of stock (for my future reference):
https://grasslandbeef.com/lamb-tallow


Unsalted - Vegetable based Margarine or Unsalted - Biljan Mast (vegetable shortening), or both, should work.(this replaces mutton tallow) 1 part
Paraffin wax (used for home canning of jams and jelly) - the more refined the better. 1 part
Bees Wax (filtered is best). 1 part

Quoting Gatofeo from the 1858remington post:

"All parts are by weight, not volume!
I measure out 200/200/100 grams on a kitchen scale, toss the ingredients into a wide mouth Mason jar, and set the jar in 3 or four inches of boiling water for a double-boiler effect to melt it. When thoroughly melted, mix well with a clean stick or disposable chopstick, then allow to cool at room temperature.
Do not try to hasten cooling by placing the jar in the refrigerator, or the ingredients may separate."



Note - you can try leaving different ingredients out.

I believe you bought the wad cutter - so cut some un-lubed wads. Set those aside.
Set up a double boiler on your stove. Put a glass jar or tin can floating in water in another larger pan. Melt the Margarine or Biljna Mast, then add the Bees Wax, then add the paraffin wax using the above weights. Mix it all up. You should end up with a balm type mixture that will harden together. Put all that in a large container with a lid. This mixture will be your wad lube.

Some folks skip the double boiler and use the microwave.

Scoop out some of that back into the smaller pan in the double boiler. Melt it to liquid form again, add your cut wads - allow them to soak up that hot mixture.
Then let them cool on a cookie sheet. There is your lubed wad that goes between the ball and the powder.

You can take that larger tub of wad lube that you made and put some of it into a smaller container to take to the range. That can be used as an over the ball lube, if you'd like to try that out.
As mentioned you can mix and match different vegetable type oils with beeswax.
Some folks leave the wool felt out and cut Lube pills out of the hardened wad lube.

Side note:
I like to lube my cylinder pin with Bore butter. I'll have try lubing it with vegetable shortening or margarine. Will also try the above lube - 20 some days from now (R&R).


Last edit: You can shoot just ball over powder. That's how I started. Lube helps the gun run longer during the shooting session and makes clean up afterwards easier. Water followed by WD40 is really all you need to clean.
 
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I'd forget wads. Use semolina or farina as a filler between the powder charge and the ball
Ok, but - we talked so much here about the wads before, no-one said I should forget about wads and put more edible stuff into my revolver, like I'm going to bake cookies in it. :) In short (almost) everyone said that wads are needed between powder and ball, except when using very large amounts of powder. I wouldn't like to have air gap caused by leaving the wad out.
 
"They all work. If only one was best, everyone would do it that way, but they don't. Pick one you like and become expert at it. You will do fine."

I have found his advice applies to more things than surgical approaches to the hip joint.
I see. It's like sex. More ways than one to do it.
 
Solid Vegetable shortening: Biljna mast or you can use margarina
1861 - what brand of BP did you get?
I too would like to see what the range looks like - if they allow pictures taken.
Bingo, drobs. Biljna mast :) now it's clear to me. Thanks. Can I use only that - vegetable shortening - WHY do I have to mix it with beeswax and paraffine wax? I think I can manage that mix, but why can't I just put vegetable shortening? Because if I can, that would make things so easy and cheap for me.

BP is the one I announced long ago - the higher quality and more expensive German powder:
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The mix is so it won't run in hot weather. Also some people (like me) cut their own felt wads and soak them in the mix when it's melted and let it harden. When using felt wads I don't use any lube over the balls as it isn't needed.

Here's 3 of my guns

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Just outside my town there are two shooting ranges. I managed to find pics from one of them, this one is closer to me, so I'll go there, maybe even today:
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Kaeto, thanks for the explanation. So in fact - in wintertime I could use only vegetable shortening - as it won't melt in cool weather?
I see you prefer short revolvers. I don't. The longer, the better. Mine has 7.5" barrel, the next will be Dance Brothers with 8" barrel, and I'd like even longer, 9" would be ideal.
 
Name-Brand wads are very expensive to buy - at least by the time they have crossed the Atlantic. I have a second powder flask filled with semolina, with a suitable spout on it, and throw one charge from each flask into each chamber. Less smoke, less cost, more bangs for a buck. If the range is a 'no-grease' one (indoors) then I have to use a wad (and you can often retrieve them off the floor during a break and use them again) and reduce the semolina throw to leave space for it. If it is an outdoor range I put grease on top of it all with a modified eye, nose and throat syringe.

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I see yours is a 'no danger space' range - noisy with all the echoes.
 
So now we have already two members (Mike OTDP and Mk VII) posting on the same page that they use semolina instead of wads.
That would be awesome solution for me - much cheaper and simpler than having to pay for wads or to make them myself (I still haven't find the right felt material for it).
Any thoughts about it - SEMOLINA INSTEAD OF WADS - from you other guys? Thanks!
 
Kaeto, thanks for the explanation. So in fact - in wintertime I could use only vegetable shortening - as it won't melt in cool weather?
I see you prefer short revolvers. I don't. The longer, the better. Mine has 7.5" barrel, the next will be Dance Brothers with 8" barrel, and I'd like even longer, 9" would be ideal.
Since that picture was taken I have put a standard length barrel on the middle gun, and traded the top gun for a standard length barrel one.
 
Be sure it's the right brand of semolina though [hint: the one in the can is a real bugger to use :) ]
 
Am using it for years (couscous) also as filler in cartridges...
I found it was shooting more consistent as with wads...
Back then I made my own lube, 50/50 beeswax/lard for my muzzleloading revolver
 
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